Misty Williams 00:01
Hey, sister, this is Misty Williams, founder of healing rosie.com. And I’m so excited to welcome you to Rosie radio, tune in to find clarity, direction and hope for your healing. New episodes drop every Tuesday, we created this show to empower you to regain control of your life and feel like yourself again. Yes, sister, it is possible.
Misty Williams 00:21
You guys, I have been so excited about this awesome conversation I’m going to have with Jason Prall.
Misty Williams 00:27
If you have tuned in to any of the summits or master classes that I’ve done, you know that we always have most epic conversations.
Misty Williams 00:33
And I was having dinner with a friend last week, who just discovered that her daughter who I believe is around 13 is slightly autistic.
Misty Williams 00:43
And there was so much regret and shame that my friend was feeling on how she had parented in light of this new lens that she has now for her daughter’s experience.
Misty Williams 00:53
And it had me thinking about how all of us are, especially when you when you have a belief that that something is wrong with you something is wrong with your body.
Misty Williams 01:03
It doesn’t work for you like it seems to work for other people, right? You have a diagnosis, perhaps, maybe you’ve gone to a doctor, and you’ve heard your labs are normal, and everything’s fine.
Misty Williams 01:12
And it’s really just mess with your head because you’re like, I don’t feel normal. I don’t feel like everything is fine. How do you navigate your healing? through the lens of all this noise?
Misty Williams 01:23
I started asking myself this last year, because I was so frustrated with the weight loss resistance that I was experiencing.
Misty Williams 01:28
This was before I got the mold diagnosis and that was obviously a big part of why I was kind of spinning in place. But I started really getting present for myself too. I mean, this is not my identity.
Misty Williams 01:42
My experience in this reality is not my destiny, and how do I lift myself above, so that I can see clearly and chart a path forward to create what I really want for my life.
Misty Williams 01:53
And I know there’s so many women in our community who are feeling the very same thing, you’re dealing with these.
Misty Williams 01:59
Especially when it goes on for years and years, you start kind of feeling stuck in the soup of of symptoms and diagnoses and all of the things you have to do to accommodate this reality.
Misty Williams 02:08
We’re going to peel back the layers on this onion with Jason today. And I’m so excited. I really can’t wait for us to dig in.
Misty Williams 02:15
So Jason Prall is a health educator practitioner, author, speaker and filmmaker in 2018 in independent research and experience led him to create the human longevity project, a nine part film series that uncovers the true nature of chronic disease in our modern world.
Misty Williams 02:27
He’s currently finishing his first book on longevity, as well as his next film series explores ancient methods of healing mind, body and soul from indigenous cultures around the world.
Misty Williams 02:35
So excited. You’re here, Jason!
Jason Prall 02:36
Thanks for having me. It’s a pleasure to be here.
Misty Williams 02:38
Well, we just kind of did a big setup here. You and I were talking before we started recording about the individual work that we do, trying to navigate this space and terrain, you know, wanting to get clear on what’s happening.
Misty Williams 02:50
And like, I needed to get clear that it was toxic mold for me and a few these other things so that I could actually take some steps to eradicate it.
Misty Williams 02:57
But it gets it can get really hard and tiring when you’ve been on this journey for a while. And especially if you’ve experienced spinning up your wheels, which most of us do, you know, at some point to, to think in ways that are going to actually help us get through it.
Misty Williams 03:10
One of the things that comes up for me that I hear from people is here’s what here’s all the things that are making me sick. Here’s the here’s all the ways I’ve struggled. And now I can’t get well because I can’t afford it.
Misty Williams 03:22
I don’t have the money, the resources aren’t there, right? Going through the trauma of this kind of sickness has you taking on these beliefs about who you are and your condition that can really keep you stuck.
Misty Williams 03:32
And I would love for us to just dig into this a little bit. You are giving me chills before we started recording?
Jason Prall 03:37
Yeah, it’s a it’s a big topic, right? Because whenever we’re faced with some diagnosis, some set of symptoms, some challenge whether it’s even with our health or elsewise, we’re creating these narratives.
Jason Prall 03:48
We’re getting these stories about what it means, what it looks like, how long it’s going to take, how much money is going to take all these things, right.
Jason Prall 03:56
And so it’s really interesting, because we’re very rarely do any of us actually deal with what is. And rather, we’re dealing with the stories that we’re creating in our mind, right?
Jason Prall 04:05
And this is not something to be critical about. But rather just to observe, you know, what are the stories that I’m telling myself? Are these cheap and true? Where are these coming from? Right?
Jason Prall 04:15
And a lot of the time, these stories, these narratives, these beliefs that we’re creating come from our conditioning from our childhood, from a place of ignorance from a place of fear, right?
Jason Prall 04:24
Because it’s uncertain, we don’t know what to do, right?
Jason Prall 04:26
And so when we don’t know what to do, we become scared because we have no path forward. Oftentimes, the mind just goes crazy, right? And it just starts to run loose.
Jason Prall 04:34
And so it’s just an opportunity to really look at what the beliefs are. What are the stories that are being told?
Jason Prall 04:40
And if we have enough awareness, we can actually track our bodies, we can actually feel what it feels like inside.
Jason Prall 04:47
What does it feel like and do it what does this fear feel like? Does it feel jittery and shaky and does it feel cold? Can I even feel my body? What’s going on?
Jason Prall 04:54
So I think this is with a little bit of awareness. We can just pause and get curious about what’s happening.
Jason Prall 05:00
As I sit here and think about my situation, and then this can fluctuate from day to day. So it’s not a static type of environment that we find ourselves in.
Jason Prall 05:07
But I think, day to day, this is what we continuously are living with. We’re living with these beliefs, living with the conditioning, living with the thoughts and the ideas and the energetics.
Jason Prall 05:16
And that’s really what’s governing our physiology. It’s what’s governing, even the thoughts. So sometimes even the feelings and government thoughts, right.
Jason Prall 05:22
So if we can, we can slow down, we can pause, we can feel into ourselves, we can just kind of analyze what’s going on.
Jason Prall 05:31
And that will at least give us a starting point, a baseline for what’s true, and perhaps what might be going on from that sort of story perspective, right.
Jason Prall 05:37
And again, those stories and those ideas, those beliefs are generally created from a younger version of ourselves, the four year old version of ourselves, the six year old, the nine year old, right?
Jason Prall 05:46
Because they’re coming from that conditioning, they’re coming from ignorance. And so I think just with that perspective, it starts to open up potentially some possibilities, right?
Jason Prall 05:55
Because so often we can get merged, we get so merged with our experience, that we can’t entertain a perspective, we can’t entertain an idea, right?
Jason Prall 06:03
If we think about business, or any other endeavor, right, we want to give ourselves the opportunity for something new to enter a new idea, a new way out, right?
Jason Prall 06:11
If we’re caught in a box, and we can’t figure out how to get to this business struggle that we’re in, right, we need to give ourselves a space to allow these new things to come in.
Jason Prall 06:18
Same thing with our health. And oftentimes, we may not even know exactly what step is necessary next. But if we can leave the door open for for that next step to enter, then that’s a greater possibility.
Jason Prall 06:29
But if we stay closed off, if we stay merged with our experience, afraid, unsure, running these stories, in our mind, I don’t have enough money, it’s going to cost a lot of money.
Jason Prall 06:38
It takes a long time, I don’t have the time. I’m too old. I’m too young. I mean, there’s a million stories that we can run in our mind and beliefs.
Jason Prall 06:45
If we’re stuck and merged, and we’re caught in that too much, then then we’re really not allowing for these new ideas, these new possibilities to enter.
Jason Prall 06:52
And from a more spiritual perspective, that’s really what we want, we want to invite in the infinite possibility that something can come up come come to us, right.
Jason Prall 06:59
I’ve worked with a lot of people in this space, who find themselves in pretty tight situations where they don’t have money.
Jason Prall 07:06
And we may even have a path forward, but they don’t have the money to be able to execute that.
Jason Prall 07:11
But if we can actually work on the belief that about money, about finances, about wealth, and what it is and where it comes from, and how easy it is to acquire, then those new possibilities can can emerge.
Jason Prall 07:22
And I’ve seen that happen, somebody with very little financial stability, and not a lot of money coming in. If you want to call it manifestation, I don’t know whatever you want to call it.
Jason Prall 07:31
It’s not a word I use too often. But I think people know what I mean, when I say manifestation. It can happen.
Jason Prall 07:36
$20,000 can come in, in a matter of a day. And without any idea of where it’s coming from. And it sounds fantastical, perhaps to some people, and it still does to me, but I’ve seen it, I’ve seen it happen many times over.
Jason Prall 07:47
So I think that’s the first step that whenever we find ourselves overwhelmed in confusion, in fear, kind of merged with these experiences merged with a part of ourselves merged with that fear, giving ourselves a little bit of space, a little bit of curiosity and starting to open up to the new possibilities is an unbelievable first step.
Misty Williams 08:03
So what’s coming up to me, as I’m listening to you, kind of unpack all of this, for us is an experience that I had, maybe four or five years ago, I read, Joe Dispenza is breaking the habit of being yourself, which is an excellent book.
Misty Williams 08:16
One of the things he talks about in the book that I found so powerful and liberating, and actually I’m saying this to you, I’m like, I need to read this book again, just to transport me back to that space is you don’t, the power of the mind is that you don’t have to know the how.
Misty Williams 08:35
You just need to see the what, like be in the possibility of what it is that you want to create. And I remember the first time I sat down to actually put into practice some of his perspective on meditation.
Misty Williams 08:50
What is it that I really want, for my life in the next six months or a year, I actually do this for all sorts of things in my life.
Misty Williams 08:56
One of the things that Roderick and I are talking about now is getting land and building the home that we really, really want to be in really for the rest of our lives, you know,
Misty Williams 09:05
And I’m the investigator type that wants to figure out. How are we going to make all this happen? What are all the steps and I could feel myself getting really bogged down.
Misty Williams 09:12
Similarly to how we get when we start, like, and I and now I have this diagnosis, how am I going to figure out how to unravel this? And I stopped in that moment.
Misty Williams 09:21
I went over to my kitchen, I sat down and I just started breathing in and thinking about what I wanted this to be.
Misty Williams 09:27
And it’s it’s a really great energy mover, I find it to be really practical and you know, you’re able to apply it to a lot of areas of your life.
Misty Williams 09:34
Its just like when I think about my body and my health. I have looked into the future last year as I was really struggling with all this mold stuff looked into the future and envisioned the weight cutting off effortlessly.
Misty Williams 09:45
Getting my mind and my brain functioning like it should and I didn’t know how I was going to create that. Especially when I’ve had all these experiences of trying to get that weight off and it’s just it’s not letting go right.
Misty Williams 09:58
How am I going to create that? when I just held it in mind, I could see myself there and it, it began opening me. And I think this is what we all need, as we’re navigating.
Misty Williams 10:07
We need to be able to be in the possibility and being the openness, that something, something good is going to come from this. And as it turned out, that weight dropped off of me in six weeks, I can’t even believe it.
Misty Williams 10:18
I did a cleanse for 21 days, and lost 10 pounds. And the next few weeks, I did nothing. And I did not get on the scale again. And I just went back to my normal eating, which is healthy, but it’s, it’s not obsessive.
Misty Williams 10:30
I got on the scale, and I lost the other eight pounds three weeks later, like it was I can’t believe how fast it was. Totally didn’t expect that to have that experience, right.
Misty Williams 10:37
But it’s just, there’s something so powerful about being able to extract ourselves from the prison of this is the reality.
Misty Williams 10:44
I’m experiencing right here and move into a place of here’s what I want it to be like, and I’m going to see this and believe this and hold on to this possibility.
Jason Prall 10:52
Yeah, I think it’s hard to, to comprehend how much of an illusion we’re living in, right. And we all feel so real looks so real, and our mind makes it real.
Jason Prall 11:01
And this is what’s interesting about the mind, right? It is so powerful. And so what we believe about ourselves, what we see when we look in the mirror, how even how other people’s view us impacts how we view ourselves, right?
Jason Prall 11:10
So we are moment by moment, creating the reality that we’re experiencing. Right. So that’s, that’s unbelievably powerful. If you if you just sit with that moment, by moment, we are recreating this reality.
Jason Prall 11:21
And so that means that we can either keep ourselves locked in on this one timeline, so to speak on this one path, and this one reality that I’m experiencing, or I can use my mind to create an entirely different level of reality.
Jason Prall 11:31
I can shift the timeline so to speak, I can think ahead, I can view myself I can, I can envision what it’s like to be healthy, to be happy, to be whole and integrated, to be fully embodied, to be to have plenty of abundance of food and money and anything in relationships, right?
Jason Prall 11:47
I can visualize that, I can even feel it in my body. Right. So we’re using the power of the mind. And we’re also using the power of awareness itself.
Jason Prall 11:55
And so when we are able to use our awareness, we can localize it, we can expand it, we can it goes in and out of time, like it is the quantum, if you will.
Jason Prall 12:09
And so this awareness is tracking on this and we can use awareness and and our mind to create that new reality. Right. And so that’s that’s kind of what I mean is that we get merged in this, this illusion that we call reality.
Jason Prall 12:22
And just by unmerging a little bit, we can start to use the mind use our awareness and create a new level of reality. A
Jason Prall 12:26
nd that can that can open up possibilities that that our limited mind, our little small mind can’t fathom, right?
Jason Prall 12:33
And this is the shortcoming of planning, right. I mean that that’s been a big pattern of mine is to use the mind as a resource to get me out of trouble and get me out of danger and fear and all the things that I’m experiencing.
Jason Prall 12:45
It’s using my mind to analyze things to solve problems to plan ahead, right. And that serves a valuable function. And it is extremely limited to what is possible, right.
Jason Prall 12:54
So if we just kind of if we allow ourselves to drop that a little bit, use the mind to, to open up to possibility, use our awareness to envision and find and track the reality that we ultimately want to experience.
Jason Prall 13:08
Believe it or not, You can experience that in the moment, we can actually create that experience, moment by moment. And that will create a new reality, right?
Jason Prall 13:16
So this sort of manifestation or this, this idea of creating this new reality, can look like spontaneous remission, things just naturally resolving themselves.
Jason Prall 13:26
It can look like finding the solution on your own, that you didn’t know is there, it can look like finding the person that’s going to help you find the solution, right?
Jason Prall 13:33
There’s a million ways that it can unfold. And so part of it is is envisioning and tracking that that ultimate result, and allowing the process to this play out as it may, right.
Jason Prall 13:44
So it’s constantly reminding ourselves that that’s a possibility. And the more that we can condition ourselves to sort of be in that reality, to experience that reality, to visualize that reality, to feel into that reality in our body, the more likely it is to come to fruition.
Jason Prall 13:58
And along the way, what’s really interesting is that all the things that we’re experiencing right now that we may not like that are that are uncomfortable, that are causing us problems, there’s actually clues, they’re actually there to help guide us to help give us information.
Jason Prall 14:12
And so all along the way, we can actually use those as a way to awaken to a greater truth to a deeper level of reality to a more whole version of ourselves.
Jason Prall 14:21
And so there’s so much opportunity, once we become unmerged, once we open ourselves up, provide a little bit of awareness on the body, a little bit of awareness on the beliefs on the mind, on the mindset.
Jason Prall 14:31
And just start looking at these things, right viewing these things. Hopefully, without judgment, although the critical nature of ourselves, there’s always a an inner critic that’s probably going to be present along the way.
Jason Prall 14:41
But if we can learn to sort of accept that inner critic and put him aside or her aside for a little bit, and start viewing these things for non judgmental, non critical perspective, then we can start understanding ourselves better.
Jason Prall 14:50
This is sort of the self reflection that really can guide us along the way. If we combine that with an embodied perspective feeling into the body tracking the body feeling into the sensations, the emotions, all the things going on in the body, there’s so much information there that will reveal itself. When we put awareness on those things.
Misty Williams 15:07
I want to talk a little bit about a specific belief. And and let’s just explore some tools or way of being with that that can help people create some shifts, and the belief that’s coming up for me.
Misty Williams 15:19
Because I hear it in our community, people respond to my emails, and they’ll say it is I don’t have the resources. I don’t have the money.
Misty Williams 15:26
I’m on a fixed income. Maybe they’ve only gotten Medicare, maybe they’re on disability. Maybe they’re family has resources. But they’ve got children who are maybe, one is in high school, maybe they’ve got to in college.
Misty Williams 15:41
And so it just seems like the resources aren’t there. How do we again, how do we begin to unpack the, the resistance around “I don’t have the resources?”
Jason Prall 15:52
Yeah, I think first, it’s to acknowledge that they’re on some level, that’s true. Right now, I don’t have the resources right, available to me, right.
Jason Prall 15:59
And so we can acknowledge that there’s, there’s an element of truth to that. However, it is not the full truth, right, there’s a greater truth that we can visualize, right?
Jason Prall 16:08
And so one aspect of that is, for some, for many people, myself included, we didn’t really learn how to receive very well. So in other words, the resources may be abundant and everywhere.
Jason Prall 16:18
And yet, for whatever reason, and I may even be able to see them sometimes. I haven’t learned very well how to receive it, how to take it in.
Jason Prall 16:26
And so a good example of this, is that sort of, it’s a very minor example, but I think many people can identify with this, when somebody gives you a compliment, you kind of shy away and kind of duck and dodge the compliment.
Jason Prall 16:35
Get a little embarrassed by the compliment, and, and I’ve turned it down, or do you fully accept it, right? That’s an element of receiving that sort of this feminine nature of opening ourselves up and receiving what’s coming in, right?
Jason Prall 16:44
A compliment is a very, very small gift. It’s a very small gift, right? If we aren’t able to fully take in that small gift that someone’s giving us.
Jason Prall 16:53
If we feel weird by it, then that’s an indication that there’s element that we can work on that we have an ability to, an opportunity to improve.
Jason Prall 17:02
So this idea of receiving is different than going out and trying to get right. There’s been so many times where I’ve been asking for help and, and looking for help and going.
Jason Prall 17:12
In other words, I’m trying to find the resources and they’re not coming to me. And that has to do with my energy. It’s not that they’re not there. It’s not that nobody wants to help me, it’s that my energy is just a little bit off. Right.
Jason Prall 17:23
And this is very difficult to explain. But there’s, there’s elements of conditioning of what we might call trauma of missed experiences in our childhood, where we didn’t get these things, reflected back, we weren’t shown these things.
Jason Prall 17:33
If nobody’s shown you the color purple, then you know, I can explain purple all day, and you’re not going to understand what purple is, you have to be able to see it right?
Jason Prall 17:40
So if you’ve never seen purple, that’s a missed experience. And until you see purple, we’re not gonna get anywhere. But once you see it, then you understand what that is, right?
Jason Prall 17:49
The same thing goes with some of these energetic qualities that we usually gain from our parents or our caregivers, they essentially reflect, they transmit energetically, through a lot of different mean socially.
Jason Prall 18:01
And we pick up on the steps, right, especially as we’re young beings, we are totally open to receiving all this information from our environment, right, we are energetically open.
Jason Prall 18:10
So when we have those missed experiences, when we have these traumas, when we have these conditionings, another conditioning might be that I mean, that’s a strong one, right?
Jason Prall 18:17
The fact that resources are hard to come by, they are not abundant, right? And that may be overtly said to you, when you’re a child for 10 years, 15 years running.
Jason Prall 18:25
Or may be sort of subverted kind of hidden in the language and in the tone and in the way, your parents or caregivers or your teachers, or your coaches, or whomever might be expressing, right?
Jason Prall 18:35
So we pick up on all this stuff. And so that might be a belief that I carry with me, energetically and in the mind that resources are difficult, they’re tough to come by. And when they’re available, I don’t even really deserve them. Right?
Jason Prall 18:46
So there’s so much going on there that would prevent me from being able to recognize, realize, and ultimately accept the resources that are around me.
Jason Prall 18:54
So again, there’s probably who’d listen to this and think I’m full of crap, right? And that’s an indication that your conditioning or the reality that you’ve experienced, which is proving that I’m full of crap, right. So that’s the thing. So your experience may be, so that what I’m saying doesn’t make any sense.
Jason Prall 19:13
There’s others that have no problem finding resources. People are always coming to them with exactly the resources they need, right? I haven’t been one of those people in my life.
Jason Prall 19:23
As I’ve done more and more work with regard to energetics, resolving some of these missed experiences, some of these traumas, these beliefs, these conditionings that I was raised with, then the reality has begun to shift for me, and just enough to where I can say what I’m saying.
Jason Prall 19:39
I believe in this, I understand it, because I’ve experienced it just enough and enough to where it’s become a major focus for me to continue to work some of these parts in these pieces in myself so that the abundant resources that are all around me will be even more abundant. Right?
Jason Prall 19:54
So this is the thing like life itself is unbelievably, there is nothing more abundant than the In life, right? It is everywhere we have so much resource around us there is no shortage of resource of prana, of energy, of chi, of life itself.
Jason Prall 20:10
And so how do we cultivate that, right? So we can actually, and things like Qigong will actually teach us how to cultivate resource, how to cultivate this chi, this life resource.
Jason Prall 20:19
Yoga and Ayurveda, also have some techniques that teach us how to cultivate this energy, right. So when we are able to cultivate this energy, when we are working on our receiving muscles, when we learn how to get rid of some of this old conditioning and these beliefs that we carry with us that are simply blocking us off from receiving, then life starts to just give to us.
Jason Prall 20:41
And it’s unbelievable where these things come from, again, the mind is, it’s very difficult for the conditioned mind to understand how it’s possible that all these resources become available.
Jason Prall 20:48
But if you know some of your friends, perhaps they might call themselves amazing manifesters or whatever. But things just happen.
Jason Prall 20:53
I’ve met shamans, indigenous healers, where they can literally just generate things, like, it’s unbelievable the resource they need, right?
Jason Prall 20:59
Whether it’s the ability to travel across countries, even though they didn’t have the right passport, and the right thing, and blah, blah, they make it happen, like things just naturally fall into place for them, right.
Jason Prall 21:08
So there’s, there’s really, really amazing ability to do this. And so it’s something that can be practiced. It’s something that can be sort of unconditioned and recondition. But I think that’s what I would say is that it’s very specific for each individual.
Jason Prall 21:20
A lot of times it’s difficulty receiving, a lot of times it’s in the beliefs, it’s in the conditioned mind, that is literally preventing from those resources from showing up.
Jason Prall 21:28
A lot of times we can be trying to go get the resources. But again, the energy is off so we’re unable to actually acquire them, so to speak. And some people don’t do anything, they’ll meditate. And all of a sudden things will just naturally unfold for them.
Jason Prall 21:40
And I know these people, they’re very good friends of mine. And I learned from them. They’re teachers, because for me, because they do such an unbelievable job, my conditioning is to do more, right?
Jason Prall 21:49
If I don’t have what I need, go do more, figure out a more efficient way, figure out solutions.
Jason Prall 21:52
That’s my sort of old conditioned method. The more effective way is to sit, meditate, if you will pray, however you want to say it.
Jason Prall 22:00
But basically, sit into your alignment, work on your energetics allow trust, open up, right, and let things come to you.
Jason Prall 22:08
So there’s a different level of reality we can play with. And again, this may be difficult for some of us, it certainly has been difficult for me in my life, it’s getting easier.
Jason Prall 22:16
But as we learn to play in that new reality, it doesn’t have to be hard. These resources are everywhere and always available.
Misty Williams 22:22
I got chills when you said people don’t receive well, because it’s kind of been the story of probably the last 20 years of my life spiritually. First of all, even seeing that I didn’t receive well.
Jason Prall 22:31
It’s very difficult, right?
Misty Williams 22:32
I did not realize that was probably even a thing for me until I was around 35. Like, if you would have said something about receiving before, I would have completely missed it.
Misty Williams 22:41
But my journey started in 35. And I had the experience of being in the hospital after a second surgery to fix the first surgery, they stitched up part of my small intestines. And so I wasn’t keeping down food or water. So I had to fix that.
Misty Williams 22:51
But I was in the hospital, and I needed a ride home. This is before Uber. And I had not told a single friend. Nobody knew that I had I mean I’ve been by this time.
Misty Williams 23:03
I’ve been through so much trauma, with the first surgery not keeping that food or water for six days going into the hospital, I was admitted for three days.
Misty Williams 23:09
None of my friends knew and it made me so uncomfortable to reach out to anyone that knew me to ask for a ride home from the hospital, which of course any of my friends would have been like, yeah, of course. Misty, well pick you at the hospital and take you home.
Jason Prall 23:21
But let’s honor that. So what you were experiencing is very real, like in the body, in the mind, and the emotions is very difficult. That’s a reach, right?
Jason Prall 23:29
So what you were doing right there is a reach. So when do we experience that in development.
Jason Prall 23:33
That’s around, you know, six months, a year, a year and a half the child is constantly reaching, reaching from arm reaching for Dad, whatever, right? And this child reaches, that’s what we do, we literally reach up and out.
Jason Prall 23:42
And so when we’re met, consistently, reliably, with exactly what we need, then that reach becomes secure. And we become very confident that when I reach I met, there’s somebody there that’s gonna meet my needs.
Jason Prall 23:52
When that’s not met, whether it’s the crying out method, Night when baby’s sleeping, whether it’s single mom raising two kids or three kids, right, and they can’t meet all the needs, right?
Jason Prall 24:01
There’s a lot of reasons that loving, amazing parents won’t get that won’t meet the needs of the child consistently.
Jason Prall 24:07
So that reach becomes inconsistent. And then we don’t rely on it, right. And so we’ll reach sometimes, but not really, but then we eventually some kids that aren’t or the met at all.
Jason Prall 24:15
They won’t even reach, they just won’t reach. And so we literally carry that energy, that whole dynamic gets brought into adulthood, and you’re displaying it perfectly.
Jason Prall 24:24
I have the same thing many of us do is very, very common. And so what’s seems so obvious like you reaching out to your friends for a ride, and you knew then in your mind that they would say yes.
Jason Prall 24:35
And then it’s not a problem that you know, now they would say it’s not a problem, and yet energetically, emotionally, there’s something in there. There’s a block that says this is scary.
Misty Williams 24:43
I don’t want to reach out because internally I was so vulnerable at that time.
Jason Prall 24:47
Exactly, if it’s not met, then what does that mean, right? It’s dangerous. So this is a perfect example. And it’s something to be honored, right? Like there’s a little little girl in there that didn’t get her needs met. And so she’s terrified.
Misty Williams 24:58
And that’s exactly what it was. In my case, it was a little T trauma, because of course, this was a decade ago. So I’ve done a lot of investigation into this. But, it was a little girl, I was the oldest of four. So my mom worked full time.
Misty Williams 25:12
My father was very, he’s the embodied, back in those days, what we call toxic masculinity today, where everything at home was woman’s work, you know, he didn’t contribute much with the kids.
Misty Williams 25:23
He didn’t earn consistently when I was younger. So you know, you can quit jobs really easily. And so my mom is, is caring everything she was working two and three jobs, taking care of us, right.
Misty Williams 25:32
So you can imagine as her first born, how, once I just started displaying any ability to be a contribution, my role in the family was to contribute and to help support my mom and to take care of my siblings, and you know.
Misty Williams 25:43
To adultify early. Very very early, and that’s, that’s, I think about, you know, I endured sexual abuse whenever I was a teenager, actually, even younger, and adolescent, and a lot of things that we would consider capital T traumas.
Misty Williams 25:54
And working through those and moving through those were way easier for me than the little T trauma because it was so subtle. I didn’t grow up feeling like I was being traumatized by helping my mom, right.
Misty Williams 26:06
It was so subtle for me, that I remember in the hospital, having that experience and noticing what was happening, like, I am terrified to ask anyone for help, I couldn’t have articulated at that point, you know.
Misty Williams 26:19
You do not create any space in your life whatsoever for people to be a contribution to you. That was I mean, my identity was I was able to give and be generous and support, you know.
Misty Williams 26:30
Like it wasn’t on my radar then that I’ve created a life where everything flows out and nothing flows in. And it definitely did a number on my health.
Misty Williams 26:39
But the thing for me to overcome and to work through wasn’t the symptoms and the sickness as much as my way of being.
Misty Williams 26:46
The exact thing that you’re talking about here. Like, I lived in a world that didn’t really contribute to me, I had to contribute to it.
Misty Williams 26:57
And then you can imagine when I start not being able to contribute in the same way that I used to be able to contribute the fear that that induced for me, right?
Misty Williams 27:04
Like what’s going to become of me, I mean, it was really the perfect experience to spiritually break me open in the best of ways, right.
Misty Williams 27:13
But it took a while to unpack and feel into all of that. And I know there, I’ve told this story to girlfriends, and I’ve seen the tears.
Misty Williams 27:19
I know that this is a very common thing for women especially is this struggle around being able to receive because of all sorts of little T and big T traumas that we experience over the course of our life, you know.
Misty Williams 27:30
The fear around receiving and the vulnerability that we feel needing something from the universe, from God, from our families, from you know, somebody in society, or communities, you know, this is a very common thing.
Misty Williams 27:46
And I love that you took the financial resource piece and connected it back to this because I actually think this receiving thing affects us on so so many different levels.
Misty Williams 27:55
Because it is the opening to receiving that actually brings all of this stuff like even your comment of, you know, let things come to you. Like let things come to you before I was 35 years old. I didn’t wait for anything to come to me.
Jason Prall 28:09
Yeah, you go get it, right.
Misty Williams 28:11
Everything good or bad? Right?
Jason Prall 28:12
Well, that’s the message, right? That’s the message on Instagram. It’s, you know, it’s all these memes of go out and get it right, get up early work hard. Right.
Jason Prall 28:20
And there’s nothing wrong with hard work hard work is great. That’s a good quality to have. And it’s also not required.
Jason Prall 28:26
But it’s not people think that it’s a mandatory aspect to success or to achieving something that’s not the case. Right?
Jason Prall 28:32
Commitment. Sure. Dedication? Sure. Like you got to be committed energetically dedicated energetically. Right? That’s different, right?
Jason Prall 28:38
Working hard? I’d rather work smart. I’d rather work efficient, right? That’s, that’s a totally different thing. And ultimately, I’d love to just be aligned and allow things to come without any what we would might classify as work.
Jason Prall 28:48
But what we’re getting at here is this idea of receiving, it also ties into the healthy which is which is nourishing, right?
Jason Prall 28:55
So, again, this is so fundamental at a developmental aspect of who we are. Perhaps we didn’t breastfeed properly, because maybe my tongue was tied, and I couldn’t latch on to mom’s nipple.
Jason Prall 29:07
And therefore I couldn’t get the milk. Or maybe mom wasn’t able to, to, she didn’t have enough supply. Right?
Jason Prall 29:12
Or for whatever reason, there’s a lot of different things right. I wasn’t able to she had to work. And so I wasn’t able to breastfeed.
Jason Prall 29:17
This is an idea of when I’m sucking, when I’m reaching, when I’m wanting — am I met energetically, emotionally, physically with it with the milk or the food?
Jason Prall 29:28
And if it’s not there, if it’s not consistent, then anytime I get a resource, I’m going to hold on to that resource and I’m not going to let it go because I can’t count on something being there in the future.
Jason Prall 29:38
You’re starting to see like you don’t have this is an energetic thing that that we we get conditioned into that if I can’t count on a resource being available to me, whether it’s food or whether it’s love, then I’m going to hoard whatever I can get.
Jason Prall 29:51
And I’m going to be constantly afraid that whenever I have or need my next meal, my next attention that it’s not going to be there.
Jason Prall 29:59
So it’s this fear of lack, that something’s not going to be there. And then when I get it, I hold on to it. And this is what happens energetically in our bodies too.
Jason Prall 30:07
So we can actually, or the shape of our body can actually start to reflect this. We can actually hold on to a resource, right?
Jason Prall 30:14
So women or men have trouble losing weight, that may be a component, I’m not saying this is everything. For certain people, it’s going to be a big piece of the pie. And for some people, it may be a small piece.
Jason Prall 30:23
But this can be an element of that, that we’re actually holding on to energy reserves, for fear of letting go of a resource, because I don’t trust energetically, that something’s going to be there.
Jason Prall 30:32
So what we’re talking about is something deeper than the cognitive mind, right? The cognitive adult mind understands that there is food out there available, right.
Jason Prall 30:39
But the body, the energy systems, it’s a different thing. That’s a conditioned level of reality.
Jason Prall 30:44
And so we can hold on to fat stores, we can hold on to it, when we eat food, we may not be able to properly digest and assimilate, we don’t, we actually don’t know how to take in nourishment very well.
Jason Prall 30:55
So this can result in food sensitivities and digestive issues, right? This is very, very deep. What I’m pointing to here is something so fundamental that affects finances, relationships, right?
Jason Prall 31:05
I don’t trust the love that’s there, I won’t let it in fully, or I’ll let it in fully, but I can’t fully accept it. Like there’s deep deep aspects here, where we can let it in.
Jason Prall 31:14
But if anything goes wrong, then we start to create these walls, and we push it away. And we we get anxiety that it may not be there.
Jason Prall 31:19
This has to do with our attachment system, what we call an attachment system in psychology. There’s so much here, right?
Jason Prall 31:25
So the physical element of digesting food, and the way our body is shaped, the relationships, the finances, the wealth, the job resources, this is endless, right.
Jason Prall 31:34
So it’s a really important aspect to start to investigate within ourselves, to look at our childhood history, to start to feel into this resource piece with regard to money.
Jason Prall 31:44
That’s probably the easiest one money is the easiest one because there’s so much energetic charge with money. So we can look at that as a relationship.
Jason Prall 31:50
And use that as a template for for many other things that have to do with with resource.
Misty Williams 31:55
So I’m thinking about the big aha, I started having, probably about eight years ago around my inability to receive and I want to share a couple of things that I think you’re just going to riff off.
Misty Williams 32:06
Awesomely, I want people to, I want people to have a sense of where they can go exploring with this.
Misty Williams 32:12
So when I first started seeing that I had a pattern of not letting people contribute to me, I started watching my interactions with others.
Misty Williams 32:21
I started noticing more where I was constantly trying to be the person with the solution or solve or give.
Misty Williams 32:27
I started noticing how someone else’s unmet need would create a little bit of anxiety for me, and I would feel like I needed to fix it.
Misty Williams 32:34
I just started getting more present to how this belief and pattern was playing out in my life. And I didn’t try to do anything to fix it.
Misty Williams 32:43
At this time, I was just like, let me get to know myself through this lens. Like, let me I started having this whole new understanding of why I did the things that I did.
Misty Williams 32:54
Why I took the path in life that I took? I just I wanted to understand myself. I look back now and what I was doing that I didn’t have the language for is I wanted to start seeing me.
Misty Williams 33:04
Because the truth was, in my reality, I didn’t see my I mean, for real 35 When things started, everything kind of collapsed in on me right up to that point, I didn’t see any of this stuff in me.
Misty Williams 33:14
And so I wanted to just start to see it right, there was also I noticed a part of me that wanted everyone else to see it. And respond accordingly.
Misty Williams 33:22
Like there was a part of me that didn’t, I didn’t know how to fully own this and embody something different.
Misty Williams 33:27
So I was hoping that something outside of me is going to pick up the slack. And I quickly saw that, you know, there’s no one coming to save me, like it’s just me, and then I started catching myself.
Misty Williams 33:39
And being was not solving all the problems. And not figuring out all the things and not being the person that would jump up with the solution.
Misty Williams 33:48
I remember going to a restaurant one day with one of my very close girlfriends, he’s still a close girlfriend.
Misty Williams 33:53
And I asked the waiter a couple, I knew I need to order something that had … I was probably doing some kind of cleanse or something at the time that fits this description.
Misty Williams 34:02
What do you guys have on the menu? And I remember Tina looking at me like, after we had walked away, she was like, Who are you?
Misty Williams 34:08
Now, I didn’t in that moment. I wasn’t thinking about it from the perspective of I need to practice not having the solution. I was, I had been practicing just not embodying the same way. Right?
Misty Williams 34:19
And when she said that, I realized, wow, that was a really big shift for me to not be the person that has to figure it all out or ask the question so I can figure it out myself.
Misty Williams 34:28
But instead, I just created space for someone to figure it out for me. But there’s a whole lot to taking this apart whenever you realize that I’m I don’t know how to receive in the right ways.
Misty Williams 34:40
Or it’s feels uncomfortable to receive. Or I’m feeling vulnerable, receiving, you know, like it’s one thing to have an awareness of that in a moment. But it’s another thing to untangle all of this.
Jason Prall 34:49
Yeah. Well, you said it beautifully. And so so often when we walk through our lives, we’re just merged. We’re in our little tiny selves.
Jason Prall 34:55
We’re not expanded and sort of watching ourselves interact with the world right? That’s Sort of more advanced practice.
Jason Prall 35:01
So awareness practice that we can use or mindfulness practice, which is, which is beautiful. And we can just kind of watch ourselves without judgment.
Jason Prall 35:07
But you know, the first step that you took was compassionate curiosity. Let me get to know myself, let’s see what’s going on here, right, let’s see what Misty likes to do. Right.
Jason Prall 35:14
And, and it’s beautiful. I think this is one of the most practical tools that anybody can start to utilize. And it comes from, I think, in part, one of the maps or models that I like, is internal family systems.
Jason Prall 35:26
And there’s some languaging that they use and a perspective on human psychology and human behavior, and sort of spiritual behavior or your spiritual kind of context.
Jason Prall 35:34
I think that they take that I really, really like. And you said it beautifully. He said, There’s a part of me. So they talk about parts a lot, right.
Jason Prall 35:40
And so from that perspective, when we’re born, we come in fragmented. And this is actually what the indigenous, a lot of the indigenous people believe to, as well as other cultures, is that becoming fragmented, and sort of soul is fragmented all over the place in different realms.
Jason Prall 35:52
And so in psychology, we have these parts of ourselves. And when we get overwhelmed, when certain things come up, these parts start to take over, right.
Jason Prall 36:01
And so instead of being a whole integrated self, that can navigate the world, and we have all these little players. And so Misty might have 25 primary parts and managers that are all interacting and working with things right.
Jason Prall 36:12
And so there’s a vulnerable one, there’s a vulnerable part that is scared and doesn’t know what to do and confused, and very, very sensitive, right? It needs so much care, and so much tenderness, right.
Jason Prall 36:22
And that one, because it’s there’s so much fear and tenderness and softness, usually, there’s another part that comes in to protect that little tiny, Misty, that’s so beautiful and innocent, and scared and doesn’t know what to do.
Jason Prall 36:33
And that one maybe tries to solve the problems are really good at problem solving, and coming over the top and being very assertive, right, and perhaps very defensive, or perhaps very aggressive, or whatever it is, are really good about hiding everybody, right and getting tucked away.
Jason Prall 36:47
But there’s these parts of all of ourselves that come in and start to protect the vulnerable aspects, the soft ones, and start to manage the life.
Jason Prall 36:56
Whenever there’s a sense of overwhelm or confusion or fear, or whenever a need is not getting met. And that need can be safety, it can be a connection.
Jason Prall 37:04
There’s all kinds of these needs, these fundamental needs that we have. So when those aren’t met, then these parts and managers come online, to protect ourselves.
Jason Prall 37:11
And so this is just a really, really good place to start. It’s to start to get to know these parts, what parts and what programs do you run.
Jason Prall 37:18
And look, you can use internal family systems, you can use the there’s five personality patterns, there’s a bunch of beautiful maps to sort of understand some of these aspects of ourselves.
Jason Prall 37:27
One of them, that one part that I have, does a beautiful job for me, is the self critic. The one that’s, that’s highly critical of the world around me, and also highly critical of the things that I do.
Jason Prall 37:39
Now, that’s a beautiful part, right. And a lot of our parts we tend not to like, it’s a tendency that we tend to judge. And, again, that’s a part of the part there’s judging all the other parts, right.
Jason Prall 37:48
And so the critical one, right, and it’s one of my parts, it’s beautiful, because it’s finding all the dangers, it’s finding all the mistakes, all the errors, all the places that might create, overwhelm, or fear or anxiety or any kind of issue.
Jason Prall 38:02
And so it’s highly, highly adaptive, and looking at all the issues, so that we don’t put ourselves into a place where we’re not getting our needs met, where connection might be taken away, where we’re not going to find unconditional love, where we’re not going to find safety.
Jason Prall 38:15
So it’s really, really good at looking at all those things. So that’s one of my strengths, actually, now is that I can look and find a ton of different mistakes.
Jason Prall 38:21
In fact, I was a quality control engineer back in my day. And that’s actually the whole point is to find mistakes, and figure out how to optimize the solution.
Jason Prall 38:29
So we get, you know, perfect parts, so to speak, and the assembly line. And so it’s the strength, and if it’s if it’s running in the background constantly, it can be a limitation, a hindrance.
Jason Prall 38:39
And so instead of creating a combative relationship with these parts, we can really that’s a part of ourselves, right?
Jason Prall 38:46
So we want to actually love these parts work with these parts, and learn how to recognize that I am not that part.
Jason Prall 38:52
So when that part comes online, the one that’s highly critical and judgmental, to recognize, oh, that my part, here’s my part. That’s not me.
Jason Prall 39:00
I’m the awareness that is, this is just a personality part. Hi, there’s that part. And I can actually the more advanced, awakened, adult version of myself can actually come in and sort of say, hi, acknowledge that part. hi, how are you doing?
Jason Prall 39:15
And so I can work on that part. And sometimes we can actually create dialogue with these parts of ourselves, and ask them to step aside.
Jason Prall 39:20
And sometimes they won’t, sometimes they’re very good at defending and protecting us. That’s why they’re there.
Jason Prall 39:23
They’re there to protect us, right? And so to view to learn to think about these aspects of ourselves as little beings, so we have an orphanage of people within, inside of ourselves, right?
Jason Prall 39:33
And some of them are two years old, and some of them are four and six and 10 and 12. Right. So you might hear people talk about, you know, I have my my inner child, alright, well, you don’t have an inner child, you’ve got dozens and dozens of inner children.
Jason Prall 39:44
Right. And so and they’re all different versions, and some of them are very, they’re not very sophisticated, and some are highly sophisticated.
Jason Prall 39:51
They’re very tricky, that you gotta you they can they can trick you and so we can get identified with these parts.
Jason Prall 39:57
So often when something comes somebody comes in, I have a two and a half year old children are very, very good at empowering parents too, are very, very good at activating our parts.
Jason Prall 40:06
And so if we’re not aware, we get cotton apart really quickly? Whenever you’re in a fight with somebody, spouse, a loved one, you’re in a part guarantee.
Jason Prall 40:12
And are they? And so you can start to learn to recognize these parts. And sometimes it doesn’t happen in the moment, sometimes it’s more reflective, and that part yeah, okay.
Jason Prall 40:20
That’s why I was acting that way. Holy smokes, I was really defensive and right. And so usually there’s two or three parts going on, there’s one that’s super vulnerable and scared and afraid.
Jason Prall 40:28
And there’s one that’s coming in and trying to protect and defend and aggressive and, and all these other things, right.
Jason Prall 40:32
So again, it’s getting closer to the real time acknowledgement of these parts. That’s the practice. So throughout our day, they can pop up, I get an email that says, you owe $20,000, and it’s due tomorrow.
Jason Prall 40:45
That’s gonna activate a pardon me, right? Oh, my God, what, what the heck? Who missed this? Where’s where did this come from? Whose fault is this? Why isn’t this paid? Right? You the stories and the parts are gonna start to activate. Right?
Jason Prall 40:54
So we can actually view these in real time. Or we can view them again after the fact. But the closer to the real time, acknowledgement of these parts as they arise.
Jason Prall 41:01
I can feel them in my system, maybe it activates my chest, maybe it’s sinking feeling in my stomach, maybe my I can feel a kind of a buzzing somewhere.
Jason Prall 41:08
But you can feel these in the body recognize these parts come online, and you can start to work with him. Right. So again, using internal family systems or a model like that is very helpful.
Jason Prall 41:16
But ultimately, this is this is getting to know ourselves. And that’s really what you did such a good job of is you got curious about these parts, and who’s showing up in these various scenarios.
Jason Prall 41:25
And once you get to know them, and you can start to get to know what their needs are. So every part has a need.
Jason Prall 41:30
And when we can get this the part it’s need, then it starts to become more integrated, it doesn’t run the show. Oftentimes, it requires another person to help us get the need met of this part.
Jason Prall 41:41
It’s something that was missed when we were in our developmental years, we didn’t have another nervous system and other person there to sort of help us regulate and CO regulate this part.
Jason Prall 41:50
And so sometimes it might take a therapist or a friend or a loved one or somebody who can, who can sit there and basically just love you for being you.
Jason Prall 41:56
Even when you’re on your part and get that part, the needs met of that part, then it can start to integrate, it can start to metabolize some of these pieces.
Jason Prall 42:04
So that’s, that’s probably a good place to start for many people is just to really get to know themselves. And again, using these parts in these maps, I think is a really good way to do that.
Misty Williams 42:13
So I was reflecting as you were talking on this time in my life, when I was starting to get present to myself, one of the things that also started happening is a lot of relationships started falling away.
Misty Williams 42:24
And I want to mention this because it’s an experience that is not unique to me, unfortunately, when I started seeing what I really needed, I began to see that I had constructed a web of relationships, that it worked for all involved for me to not have needs.
Misty Williams 42:44
And now suddenly, I’m realizing that I do have needs, and it’s not working for everybody to say I’m not getting what, what I need from the relationship.
Misty Williams 42:52
They might be feeling resentful that you know, I’m not showing up the same way that I was before. And some of that was really scary.
Misty Williams 42:58
I noticed it professionally and with my team at the time, there was a mass exodus in firing both that was happening on my team because I needed to change how everything was working. And I didn’t enter those relationships with that expectation.
Misty Williams 43:13
So I’m like trying to change the deal, and it didn’t work for everyone. But I also noticed this in some friendships too.
Misty Williams 43:20
I didn’t want to keep showing up providing and giving in the same way that I had not that I wanted to not give and provide but I needed more flow, I need more reciprocity.
Misty Williams 43:29
So I just want to kind of put this on the table as we’re kind of wrapping up this talk that the commitment to this can be challenging.
Misty Williams 43:38
From the perspective of it, a lot of things get shaken, but I can tell in my own experiences tell you that on the other side of it, it’s pretty unbelievable the life that you’re able to create when there is flow and reciprocity and ease and you’re giving and you’re receiving.
Misty Williams 43:53
I mean I think about who I am today versus a decade ago when all of this started and it’s it’s mind blowing I had I had no clue what I was even missing you know,
Misty Williams 44:02
I didn’t know like I feel like I’m in such an abundant place but when everything first happened for me I didn’t have financial margin in my life and I didn’t have, I didn’t know people, resources.
Misty Williams 44:13
I was in Nashville Tennessee it was very hard to find any doctor that was outside the conventional medicine box right to help me with things.
Misty Williams 44:18
I just kept hearing your labs are normal and things are fine and this is supposed to be happening. So it was super scary super scary and embodying the receiving and deciding that I need things to be different and I’m going to believe that it’s possible for them to be different was really that first domino to fall.
Misty Williams 44:36
And so many things happened without me making anything happen, which are people wired like you and me, Jason, it’s like kind of hard to fathom it. Life can be so easy, but it truly can be, its now much easier
Jason Prall 44:47
When it does right when I’ve gotten those sort of proofs. I mean it’s the best feeling ever because you know I have only recently recognized how hard I’ve been working but internally yet I’ve recognized and I’m tired. Im tired of working so hard?
Jason Prall 45:02
And then when things get to be easy, it’s it’s a kind of a mind blowing experience. Right? Yeah. And again, that’s a different level of reality that I didn’t know.
Jason Prall 45:10
So it’s kind of in that camp of missed experiences.I didn’t realize that it could be that way. And once you start to template, these things, and they start to get encoded, so to speak, in your system, then you start to operate as if that’s how reality works.
Jason Prall 45:24
And that’s to me. It’s all true. It can be hard, and it can be easy.
Jason Prall 45:29
And so where do you want to be? And so how do we get there is the question and in my experience, it comes down to really addressing where these beliefs come from, where this mindset comes from?
Jason Prall 45:39
Where are these energies that I’m operating from? How they get established? And how do I work through those.
Jason Prall 45:44
And so once we start to address those, then we can, we can actually show up differently. And that’s when the world shows up differently to us.
Jason Prall 45:52
So it’s it really does start within, but it’s the most unbelievably powerful tool. And it it shapes our reality, from our health, to our relationships to our finances, everywhere.
Jason Prall 46:01
And this is, this is, in my experience, I don’t know that it has to be this way. But I’ve seen it demonstrated over and over again, that in this sort of these upgrades, so to speak of your sort of reality, things fall away, right.
Jason Prall 46:12
And sometimes I would actually argue that that’s happening in the world right now.
Jason Prall 46:17
Look 15 years ago, maybe 15 – 20 years ago, I recognized for the first time as the kids would say I was red pill, I recognize, but big pharma was big ad how much destruction was going on the medical system and how fraudulent and disruptive it is the university system.
Jason Prall 46:32
All of these systems, the financial system, I was learning about the Federal Reserve and all the financial systems.
Jason Prall 46:37
And without getting into sort of the conspiracy theories, it’s just that the level of bureaucracy and and all these institutional corruption that was that was that was present. And I was looking at it and going, Oh, my God.
Jason Prall 46:48
And that was sort of set me in a tailspin of sort of kind of depression in the sense of like, how do we get out of this? Because as far as I can see, it’s a big, big mess.
Jason Prall 46:56
And what I’m looking at is sort of Holistic Health. And I see all these, these things are, they’re stacked up against me and us as individuals.
Jason Prall 47:04
How do we how do we change this. And what I see now is that it’s all falling apart in the most beautiful, hectic, chaotic, scary way possible. And I would never have imagined it right.
Jason Prall 47:14
And so I’m seeing the school system start to shift, right, the vaccination, things start to shift, homeschooling starting to become a thing, right, we have these alternative financial markets starting to emerge out of nowhere, organic movement has been continuously improving and moving forward.
Jason Prall 47:29
All these systems are starting to kind of crumble and fall apart. And so this is kind of a demonstration of what I’ve experienced in my life as I’ve moved forward.
Jason Prall 47:38
And I think, again, I don’t know that it has to be this way. But it is very common, that it feels like your world is falling apart.
Jason Prall 47:44
And this can be your relationships, this can be your finances, your business, right, you had a fire, everybody had to let anybody go people are quitting, whatever the case is, feels like things are falling apart.
Jason Prall 47:52
And in reality, the truth is, is that you’re upgrading. That you’re moving on up to another level. And that requires a shedding of your skin, a shedding of your old ways. And it feels scary.
Jason Prall 48:02
And it feels like what the heck is this, right? Because you’re stepping into something new. And you’ve never been there before. And you don’t know what it’s like, right?
Jason Prall 48:08
So this is what’s so ironic and paradoxical about the whole thing is that because you’re upgrading, you think, Oh, it’s just going to naturally get easier along the way.
Jason Prall 48:15
And as it actually gets harder, kind of, but it’s only because it’s something new. And then once you’re there, you recognize this is a better way of being right.
Jason Prall 48:21
And so it’s it’s harder in the sense that it’s unfamiliar. You’re walking into the unknown. You get to you get to create something new.
Jason Prall 48:28
That’s the beauty of it, right? And the things that you’re wanting to get rid of, were so comfortable, that you got used to them, and even though they’re not what you want, right?
Jason Prall 48:36
And so it’s like losing weight, it’s like going to the gym, right? It’s getting thinner is not easier. It’s harder, but yet, it’s paradoxically easier as you at some point, it just becomes easier, right? So it’s very strange. I had all this emerges.
Misty Williams 48:51
I remember talking to my friend Julie saying, exactly. Everything is falling apart. And she said to me, Misty, everything is falling together.
Misty Williams 49:03
I remember getting this chill. And like there was something inside me that just left and I wanted, please let that be true. Please let that be true. Yeah. And it was true.
Jason Prall 49:12
And the way to experience and my in my opinion, is to acknowledge the pain and the challenge and the fear. So it’s not in all of the things that we’ve talked about today.
Jason Prall 49:20
It’s not about sort of changing your mindset and sort of, you know, these I think Tony Robbins calls them incantations, right, this idea of just changing a belief.
Jason Prall 49:28
That’s good and it’s really important to feel what’s here now, feel the fear and feel the panic and feel the all this stuff.
Jason Prall 49:35
Hopefully, you have the ability to process if not, you may need another body, another, being actually, another nervous system to help you co-regulate are really, really important because sometimes we don’t have the resource and we don’t know how to metabolize these things on our own.
Jason Prall 49:47
It helps to have somebody help to metabolize these things. It’s not ideal to subvert these feelings. It’s not ideal to just shove them aside and go, Oh, no, it’s falling together.
Jason Prall 49:54
It’s fine, right? That’s bypassing what’s really here and so to acknowledge what’s here to be able to process and metabolize it. And again, there’s information in it.
Jason Prall 50:02
So if we can, if we can feel it, how discomfort how uncomfortable that is, and really all the discomfort that I’m feeling in my body and my emotion state, on my energetic capacity in my visual capacity, whatever it is, how chaotic and uncomfortable at all is to process all that there’s something magical that happens.
Jason Prall 50:19
There’s this transmutation that happens. We are Alchemist at our core. When we process these traumas, and these beliefs, and these, all this conditioning in this pain, what emerges on the other side of that is beauty and love and clarity.
Jason Prall 50:31
And it’s unbelievable. So it’s, it’s really hard to explain, but that’s what happens when we process and generally, it’s an embodied somatic experience, we process something and sometimes this looks like you hear it all the time from from people that are doing amazing things.
Jason Prall 50:43
They reached a point in their life, and they fell on the bed, and they just cried, and they wept and they pray that things would be different, because they were in such a tremendous mess, right?
Jason Prall 50:52
They basically hit their rock bottom, and they just cried. Right, that is a perfect example of actually moving the energy through, it was stuck in their system for so long.
Jason Prall 51:00
And it was causing so much turmoil that eventually they finally moved it and look like this billowing cry, they’re weeping and they just got on their knees.
Jason Prall 51:07
And they prayed and, you know, helped me find another way, right? Like they’re actually genuinely in it, and they move it through.
Jason Prall 51:14
And what comes on the other side is something unbelievable, and it can actually be instantaneous. I’ve actually had this myself where something was so uncomfortable and emotional and challenging.
Jason Prall 51:23
And as I moved it through in real time, there was an awakening process or realization that happened in the moment that magically shifted things.
Jason Prall 51:29
And so that’s a really important thing to acknowledge here is that to really honor what’s happening, not bypass it, and feel it and just recognize that that’s real to what you’re experiencing is really just not the full truth.
Jason Prall 51:40
There’s a bigger truth out there, right. And so as we move into these sort of new levels of reality, it gets to be fun, right?
Jason Prall 51:47
So it’s it’s holding multiple perspectives like Oh, my God, it does feel like things are falling apart, I can acknowledge that.
Jason Prall 51:52
And there’s another aspect of myself that recognizes there’s a bigger truth out there that is waiting for me. That’s really, really exciting.
Misty Williams 51:58
And it’s really important. I think that when you’re in the darkness of things falling apart, which I’m in my experience of that moment.
Misty Williams 52:04
But many, many times in my life, when you’re in the darkness that you that you do what you just said, and that is you don’t believe it’s the totality of the truth of your experience, right?
Misty Williams 52:14
Like I’ve learned, I have some muscle around that now where like, this is hard, and it feels scary. And I don’t, I don’t know what’s on the other side, or I don’t know how I’m gonna get through this.
Misty Williams 52:20
But I’m just going to visualize what, what it is I want and what I’m committed to. And I’m going to trust that everything’s going to be okay.
Misty Williams 52:26
And the word surrender, as we’ve been talking has come up over and over and over for me.
Jason Prall 52:29
Yeah. And that’s, that’s an interesting one, right? Because there’s this idea of surrender and acceptance and letting go.
Jason Prall 52:35
And your system only knows how to do that to whatever degree it knows how, right and you can’t just force it, like your system was brilliant.
Jason Prall 52:41
So if there’s let let things go, because
Misty Williams 52:43
Jason Prall 52:43
Let things go as a six month old, then you die. So we don’t just naturally do that. There’s, it’s a, it’s something that needs to be stabilized.
Jason Prall 52:51
And we kind of we get better at it and better at it when we start to do it and accept more and more when we find safety and the ability to do that.
Jason Prall 52:57
But there’s a process that happens in that sort of letting go. So it’s I think the one of the biggest skills again, in this is to be able to recognize when you’re caught and merged in an experience.
Jason Prall 53:11
And instead of being merged, we can actually do that in real time. Oh, I’m actually merged in the part here, oh, wow, I’m really, I’m really caught in the fear.
Jason Prall 53:18
And I’ve done this many times. And it’s funny how long it can take a day, it can take a minute, it can take a few days, whatever it is, but you find the recognize, oh, my gosh, I’ve been caught in a part this whole time.
Jason Prall 53:26
I’ve been so merged with my experience, then we get a little separation from that experience. And we can still feel the experience and an aspect of ourselves can witness while we’re doing it.
Jason Prall 53:35
And when you can do that, you can do that in a relationship when you’re an argument of like, wow, yeah, sorry, I’m really just activated right now I’m really triggered. Right?
Jason Prall 53:42
And so you can, so what you’re doing is you’re dis-identifying with the one that’s triggered. You’re just saying I’m feeling really triggered.
Jason Prall 53:48
And so you can acknowledge that like, Yeah, wow, like this little part of Jason’s getting really activated here. And yeah, I’m just noticing that I’m really pissed.
Jason Prall 53:56
I’m just feeling really pissed off at you right now. Yeah, this is interesting, right? So it’s like, you can you can bring some, a little bit more levity to it, you can acknowledge it, but also not get so fused with it, right.
Jason Prall 54:05
And then when you when you can have that dialogue with yourself, as well as hopefully with another person.
Jason Prall 54:10
And you know, I’m just feeling really triggered right now, by nothing you’re doing wrong. It’s just this is really triggering me.
Jason Prall 54:15
Now you’re sort of you’re owning it, right? You’re not putting the blame on the other person, but you’re also not getting so fused with it. And you can just acknowledge that that aspect that’s showing up.
Jason Prall 54:24
And so having that dialogue with yourself, it’s a really big skill to bring into relationships to bring into yourself, when you’re working.
Jason Prall 54:30
When you’re going throughout your day, when you’re you know, getting get cut off in traffic, when anything goes wrong, you can start to recognize Oh, wow, look at me, and I’m really activated.
Jason Prall 54:39
There’s, really triggering me. That’s interesting. And so you can bring some curiosity to it some compassion to it while not bypassing
Jason Prall 54:46
When you can do that, then you can start to learn what’s happening and you can start to get, you find your patterns.
Jason Prall 54:50
And that’s a really, really important skill to have. Again, it goes back to that that thing that you did at the beginning, which is I’m gonna get to know Misty
Jason Prall 54:55
So that’s a huge quality to have and start to get to know your patterns and your parts and when you’re getting triggered and what how you get out of it right and that’s that’s a curiosity that you might have.
Jason Prall 55:04
You might pray about it, you might meditate on it, you might do a walking meditation with it, you might reflect on it, you might ask somebody, right
Jason Prall 55:10
If you’re if you’re vulnerable enough to be able to get some honest feedback from others, that can point you to these truths as well.
Jason Prall 55:16
So there’s a lot that you can do. But I think it really starts from this idea of getting unmerged from the experience itself, and getting getting that having that compassionate curiosity.
Misty Williams 55:25
Awesome. Well, this has been an amazing conversation, I could go for another hour, I would love for you to let everyone listening know where they could find more information about you and your work online.
Jason Prall 55:33
Yeah, you can go to awakencollective.com You can find some of my work there, as well as human longevity film.com And you can find me there as well.
Misty Williams 55:41
Awesome. Well, we’ll have all the links to this in the show notes. Also separate several of the books and and modalities that we talked about during this interview will be in the show notes as well over at healing rosie.com Thank you so much, Jason, this has been a wonderful conversation.
Jason Prall 55:53
Thanks. Always good to see you.
Misty Williams 55:55
Alright, we’ll see you guys.
Misty Williams 55:56
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Misty Williams 56:10
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