Misty Williams 00:01
Hey, sister, this is Misty Williams, founder of healingrosie.com And I’m so excited to welcome you to Rosie Radio. Tune in to find clarity, direction and hope for your healing. New episodes drop every Tuesday.
Misty Williams 00:13
We created this show to empower you to regain control of your life and feel like yourself again. Yes, sister, it is possible. So if you’ve been hanging around the Healing Rosie community for any length of time, you have probably heard a lot of chatter about thyroid.
Misty Williams 00:29
And there’s a reason for that. And if you’ve dealt with flabby, foggy and fatigued at all in your journey, which most likely if you’re listening, that’s part of the reason what you’ve confronted these issues as you’re getting older.
Misty Williams 00:41
Sometimes it gets blamed on menopause or perimenopause. Sometimes it gets blamed on Aging, right? But I first ran into thyroid issues myself when I was 35.
Misty Williams 00:52
So technically not in perimenopause. And technically not at an age where it can be blamed on aging. I had completed my two surgeries that I’ve talked a lot about.
Misty Williams 01:07
The second surgery to fix the first botched surgery and everything that ensued after coming unraveled dealing with brain fog and fatigue like crazy and finally went back to my primary care doctor to figure out what was going on and pushed for more lab work.
Misty Williams 01:21
Like let’s figure out what’s happening. I’m experiencing these symptoms that I have not experienced before. And I want to get my life back.
Misty Williams 01:21
And after pushing for a while she finally said to me, mister, even if I did run your labs, I wouldn’t know what they meant, which was gutting and shocking.
Misty Williams 01:21
And she went ahead and referred me to an endocrinologist in her practice to take a look at what was happening in my labs and see if she could help.
Misty Williams 01:35
So while I was sitting in the endocrinologist’s office, she told me that my labs were probably normal, we would run some more and see if anything else turned up.
Misty Williams 01:58
And she came over and started tapping on my neck and said Miss DA, I think you might have some nodules on your thyroid. We went back and did an ultrasound and sure enough,
Misty Williams 02:09
I had thyroid nodules and heard then what I heard when they diagnosed me with endometriosis. We don’t know what causes it. And we can keep watching it right you can do surgery.
Misty Williams 02:22
So thyroid nodules the first time I even knew that thyroids could have nodules on them. And over the course of the next five years or so, I experienced my thyroid actually tanking.
Misty Williams 02:34
I know now that a big contributor to this was I had metals improperly drilled for my teeth two years later, I didn’t know that at the time, of course, and 45 pound weight gain.
Misty Williams 02:47
About three or four months and the doctors put me on hormone therapy but never got to the root of why I was gaining all this weight and found out five years later that it was because of the mercury fillings being improperly drilled.
Misty Williams 03:01
And likely at that time, I also picked up mold which didn’t get diagnosed for me until 2021. So I’ve been dealing with severe toxicity.
Misty Williams 03:09
And what I saw in my labs, over about a five year period was my thyroid truly did tank and it got down to 2.1. My free T3 was down to 2.1.
Misty Williams 03:20
I was feeling really exhausted and had the afternoon slumps where I just felt like my energy was bogging bottoming out and I couldn’t keep my eyes open.
Misty Williams 03:29
So today we’re going to talk more about thyroid health because this is a topic that I feel like almost all the women in our community and when they test properly find out they have some kind of thyroid dysfunction that needs to be addressed.
Misty Williams 03:42
And toxicity is a huge, huge part of why we’re getting sick and experiencing a lot of HPA Axis dysfunction but especially seeing our thyroid affected.
Misty Williams 03:52
So today we’re going to talk to my friend Inna about thyroid health and Hashimotos and your thyroid type and we’re going to get a good education on how her thyroid works.
Misty Williams 04:06
What we can do to see for ourselves, and what’s happening with our thyroid. One of the things that I have found really empowering is being able to know what optimal lab values are so I can look at my labs for myself and see.
Misty Williams 04:22
And if you have not downloaded the healing Rosie lab tracker you will find optimal lab values in the lab tracker at healing rosie.com That will really support this conversation today.
Misty Williams 04:31
But in a tabular, Mooney is a board certified clinical nutritionist with over 17 years of experience in clinical practice and the founder of complete nutrition and wellness.
Misty Williams 04:41
She is also the host of the health mysteries solved podcast and the educator behind the thyroid Mystery Solved step by step program. Welcome Gina.
Inna Topiler 04:50
Hi, Misty. I’m so excited to be here and to share all this information with your listeners. Thank you for having me.
Misty Williams 04:57
Well, I’m super excited for you to be here and this thyroid topic is a big one. I still have women after all of the talks we’ve done on thyroid health.
Misty Williams 05:05
We’ll post in the healing rosy Facebook group that here’s the symptoms I’m experiencing. And they all from my perspective mirror thyroid dysfunction, and you ask them to have your thyroid checked, go, yes, my thyroid checked, the doctor told me it was normal.
Misty Williams 05:18
Do you know for yourself, it was normal? Did you check your own labs, what labs were run and we uncovered that the proper labs weren’t run. They don’t really know how their thyroid is functioning.
Misty Williams 05:28
And very often they will go have the proper labs come and then come back into the group and be like, Oh my gosh, here’s what I’m seeing in my labs, what do I do because my doctor says it’s normal, and it’s fine.
Misty Williams 05:38
So this is like a beat your head against the wall issue for patients who are not as blessed as you to have this amazing background in thyroid health and all this insight into what we need to do.
Misty Williams 05:49
So why don’t you start unpacking first, let’s kind of start at the beginning. I would love for you just to educate everybody a little bit on what the thyroid is, how it’s connected to our hormones overall.
Misty Williams 06:04
And maybe some common ways that our thyroid gets compromised, that creates these issues for us as we get older.
Inna Topiler 06:10
Absolutely. So our thyroid, very small little butterfly gland right here controls so much. So I think that most of us probably already know that thyroid has something to do with our metabolism, because that’s a very talked about thing, right?
Inna Topiler 06:24
And so yes, your thyroid controls your metabolism, it also controls your temperature. So when you get hot or cold, it regulates that. But additionally, it literally controls so many more things.
Inna Topiler 06:36
So we need thyroid hormone from our head to our toes. So our hair for example, right? I mean, who has experienced hair loss, thinning hair, dry hair, coarse hair, especially hair that, like, Wait, this is my hair, like something is different.
Inna Topiler 06:52
I know people tell me all the time, I have half the hair that I had five years ago, right? Or my hair, the texture, it’s just, it’s frizzy and dry. And like it just doesn’t sit the same, right?
Inna Topiler 07:03
So your thyroid, you need enough thyroid hormone for your hair to grow, supple to be flowy to just be healthy. Same thing with our skin, right?
Inna Topiler 07:15
Because it controls your temperature but also controls moisture levels. So skin that is dry. There’s rashes on the skin. The thyroid has a lot to do with that.
Inna Topiler 07:26
And I often ask people, do you have dry skin? And they say, oh, no! What can I ask you? Do you put lotion on when you get out of the shower?
Inna Topiler 07:33
Oh, yeah. I mean, if I didn’t put lotion on, my skin would fall off. I’m like, well, that actually means you have dry skin. Right? So that’s really important.
Inna Topiler 07:43
Now, the next thing that people don’t always think about is the gut. And I know that in your community, you guys talk so much about the gut because that’s the center of so many things.
Inna Topiler 07:52
And gut health is important for the rest of our body. And many people already know about the microbiome and the good and the bad bugs.
Inna Topiler 07:59
But what people may not realize is that we talked about leaky gut a lot, right? So leaky gut is that intestinal lining, and it can become permeable.
Inna Topiler 08:08
And when it becomes permeable, we can have food sensitivities, and a lot of other issues. And when we talk about that, there’s a lot of support, like if people made a note about drinking bone broth, right, or taking glutamine, those are wonderful to feel it to heal the gut.
Inna Topiler 08:24
But here’s the thing, what actually controls the lining in the gut, your thyroid, so if you don’t have enough thyroid hormone, you’re not going to have a nice barrier.
Inna Topiler 08:37
So you can take glutamine until glutamine is coming out of your nose, right? Killing it. And then you’ll be breaking it up when you don’t have enough thyroid hormone.
Inna Topiler 08:46
And then speaking of membranes, right, there is a lining a membrane around the brain, it’s called the blood brain barrier. So the same thing, you need enough thyroid hormone to support that barrier, that barrier needs to be intact.
Inna Topiler 08:59
If there’s permeability there. Well guess what? Things that we’re taking in, right could be metals, it could be other toxins, they’re coming in.
Inna Topiler 09:07
And then hello, brain fog, right? Like there’s going to be inflammation in the brain because things are getting into the brain that are not supposed to.
Inna Topiler 09:15
And yes, again, there’s vitamins, there’s minerals, there’s things you could do to help to protect your brain. But if you don’t have thyroid hormone, then that barrier is not going to be as intact as it needs to be.
Inna Topiler 09:26
And then of course, going back to digestion from a motility perspective, when we don’t have enough thyroid hormone, we can be more prone to constipation.
Inna Topiler 09:34
And everything in the body is very connected, right? So when one thing happens, there’s usually a bunch of different things that happen down the line.
Inna Topiler 09:42
So if we are constipated and constipated, it doesn’t mean that you don’t go to the bathroom for seven days, right?
Inna Topiler 09:50
If you’re not going every day, that in my book is considered constipation, or you might be going everyday but you get those little pellets that look like deer. poop.
Inna Topiler 10:00
That is also conservation. So you could be going everyday. But if it’s just tiny, little pellets, it’s not really all coming out.
Inna Topiler 10:06
So then if we think about what happens down the line, right? Well, if we’re not moving our bowels, that means the toxins aren’t getting out.
Inna Topiler 10:12
So they’re getting reabsorbed back in, which means then we become more toxic. And as you mentioned, Misty toxicity is such a big part of why the thyroid can be caught off.
Inna Topiler 10:21
And then on top of that, if we look at other hormones, like for estrogen, for example, we need estrogen. And every day we produce a certain amount of estrogen that then has to get metabolized and excreted out of the body and detoxified.
Inna Topiler 10:35
And the biggest way that it does that is through the bowels. If we’re backed up, because our thyroid is not working as well, then our estrogen then gets reabsorbed, and then we have the extra estrogen from yesterday plus the estrogen we produce from today.
Inna Topiler 10:49
And we get something called estrogen dominance. Estrogen dominance means there’s more estrogen than production, which causes its own host of symptoms.
Inna Topiler 10:56
But from a thyroid perspective, estrogen dominance can slow down a specific type of the thyroid, which then makes our hormones free, which we’ll get into in more detail, but they make it not as absorbable.
Inna Topiler 11:08
And so, right. It’s like the thyroid affects one thing, which then affects something else, which affects something else. And then it goes back to thyroid, and then it’s this vicious cycle. And we get this perfect storm.
Misty Williams 11:19
Yeah, one of the things you’re saying that I just want to highlight here is, a lot of times we we think of our issues being a thing, so I’m hypothyroid or I have SIBO, or, there’s one thing that we need to fix in our bodies, right, so that we are feeling better.
Misty Williams 11:35
And I’ve seen it over and over in our community, that women have a gut issue. And they go on hormone therapy, and their gut issues go away.
Misty Williams 11:44
So for example, there’s a woman in our community who had SIBO, she’s like our little resident SIBO expert, okay, she has beat SIBO back.
Misty Williams 11:51
So many times, she knows all the tricks that work for SIBO. And as soon as she went to a doctor to have her hormones optimized, I believe she took thyroid hormone, and her sex hormones, or SIBO, went away, she has not had a SIBO flare in years, because she fixed her hormone problem, right.
Misty Williams 12:06
So if you think your problem is SIBO, and you’re isolating, like, I need to fix the SIBO, and you’re doing all the SIBO protocols, right to beat the SIBO back,
Misty Williams 12:12
you’re not looking at your body more holistically and seeing what’s happening with your hormones, then you miss a huge healing opportunity.
Misty Williams 12:20
And instead of actually healing, you’re just beating things back. So this is a really important conversation, because hormones affect everything in the body. Just as you mentioned, you have brain fog, there’s a huge hormonal component, you have gut issues, there’s a huge hormonal component. Yeah.
Inna Topiler 12:36
The other way, also, right, where if you don’t have enough thyroid hormone, and you’re backed up a lot of times also, then you may not have enough hydrochloric acid, because that’s all controlled by the thyroid as well.
Inna Topiler 12:48
So you can actually maybe be more prone to SIBO, or to H. Pylori, or some of these other infections. So a lot of times, it really has to be addressed together.
Inna Topiler 12:58
And often, the thyroid kind of has to come first, even before some of the other things. They’re all important, but it’s just a matter of putting it in the right order step by step. Right? Sequencing at all. Yeah, yeah.
Inna Topiler 13:09
And then I was gonna say the other big thing that people don’t always think about is our mood. Right? So anxiety, depression, obviously, there’s so many different reasons for that.
Inna Topiler 13:20
There’s circumstantial things that are things that are going on in our life and our stress. But there’s also the neurotransmitter component that the thyroid controls.
Inna Topiler 13:29
So sometimes, and again there’s a time in place. And sometimes people may need medicine or may need supplements, or may need certain things for that.
Inna Topiler 13:36
And that’s, of course, very important. But if you’re not looking at thyroid, you could be missing a big piece of the puzzle.
Misty Williams 13:42
Yeah. So you talked a lot about thyroid type. And you’re kind of building out this whole brand on understanding your thyroid type,
Misty Williams 13:51
I would love for you to talk to us about the different thyroid types, because I feel like we’re going to set the stage here for the deeper conversation that I’m really wanting to have.
Inna Topiler 14:00
Definitely. So before we get into that, I just want to make sure that everyone is on the same page about what thyroid hormones are.
Inna Topiler 14:08
So we talked about what thyroid does. So I think we’re good there. But what really happens, and what happens once your therapist produces its hormones, because as you mentioned, people often say, oh, yeah, my doctor said, my thyroid is fine.
Inna Topiler 14:21
And so what did they check? Right? They’re like, Oh, I don’t know, just TSH. Right? So let’s just talk a little bit about how thyroid hormone gets produced and how it all works together, because that’s very, very important.
Inna Topiler 14:32
So most doctors that are more conventional will just test TSH, which is thyroid stimulating hormone, but that’s one out of nine different hormones and it just gives us a little bit right, it’s important and we want to poop TSH, but it’s one out of many and doesn’t give us the whole picture.
Inna Topiler 14:49
So TSH is believe it or not, it’s not actually even a thyroid hormone. It’s a pituitary hormone. So your pituitary signals the thyroid via the hormone TSH, and then the Once it produces TSH, the thyroid is going to produce T4 and T3, which are the thyroid hormones.
Inna Topiler 15:06
Most of the thyroid hormones that are produced are actually T4, and T4 is not as active, it’s inactive. And then T3 is the active hormone. But your body produces about 93 94% of t foreign only six 7% of T3.
Inna Topiler 15:21
And so most people say, Well, wait a minute, that doesn’t make any sense, right? Like, why would the thyroid produce so little T3, which is active, which you need?
Inna Topiler 15:29
Like, what’s the deal here, right, but our bodies are really smart. So there’s always an answer, they have a reason for everything. And because thyroid hormone, like we talked about is needed for literally everything from our head to our toe,
Inna Topiler 15:41
if we produce the T3 that active thyroid hormone right in the thyroid, guess what, it’s going to be used by the cells right here. And then there’s not going to be enough to go around from to our head or toes and everywhere in between.
Inna Topiler 15:54
So our bodies are so smart, they produce the T4, T4 then has to travel to other areas of the body, where it gets converted into T3. And then it has to go to the cells and absorb into the cells.
Inna Topiler 16:09
Now people might be wondering, if they’ve done a full thyroid test, they may see things like T4 and T3, but it’ll say total T3, total T4, and three, T3 and three TO four.
Inna Topiler 16:21
And I know this gets confusing, but I’ll explain this, there is a difference. And it is important to do both because a lot of people say Oh, well, I had to T3, which one they’re like, I don’t know, T3, right.
Inna Topiler 16:30
So the total T3 and total T4 are what’s produced or converted, but then they are bound to protein. So I always say that hormones are like children, right, you’re not going to let your child just walk around on their own, they have to be chaperones.
Inna Topiler 16:43
So it’s the same thing, most hormones are actually bound by these proteins. And they’re kind of like sitting on a bus. And as they sit on the bus, the bus then travels and takes them to where they need to go.
Inna Topiler 16:54
So it takes them to the liver and the gut where they convert to T3. And then it also takes them to the cells where they can get absorbed in. So most of our thyroid hormones are bound, and so they’re on the bus.
Inna Topiler 17:06
And then when they jump off the bus to get into the cell, they’re when they’re not on the bus, right, that’s what we call free hormones, meaning they’re free, they’re not bound, so that they could get into the cell.
Inna Topiler 17:16
But it’s important to know that free hormones are only a very, very, very small percentage of our total hormones. Which is why even though it’s important to test three, T4 and three, T3, you really can’t interpret too much with just those.
Inna Topiler 17:29
I mean, it helps, right, but you need to see it together with the total. So you can look at the patterns.
Inna Topiler 17:35
And then we also have something called T3 uptake, which looks at thyroid binding globulin and something called reverse T3, that’s almost kind of like an overflow valve.
Inna Topiler 17:45
So reverse T3 is sort of like the opposite of T3. So when we have too much T3, sometimes it’s not that common, but it can happen.
Inna Topiler 17:52
The body will create reverse so that it doesn’t affect you too negatively. But the reverse also could be created because of inflammation or because of stress and things like that.
Inna Topiler 18:03
So it is important to look at because it’s kind of like the opposition, if you have a lot of reverse then your own T3 may not be used, even if you do have a good amount of it.
Inna Topiler 18:12
So I hope this makes sense in terms of how they’re all related and why you need all the hormones aside from just TSH. And then when you have this, then we could talk more about thyroid types.
Inna Topiler 18:26
So essentially, thyroid is not a one size fits all approach. And if your doctor tells you that it is, then it’s time to probably get a new doctor, right?
Inna Topiler 18:37
Because your TSH could possibly be off and if your TSH is elevated, that typically means that there’s less thyroid hormone, and you perhaps may need thyroid medicine.
Inna Topiler 18:47
But that’s just one type, which is the high TSH type. Some of the other types are if let’s say you’re someone who doesn’t convert your T4 to T3 very well because remember, you don’t produce T3 very much of it, at least in your thyroid,
Inna Topiler 19:04
You have to convert it and not everyone can convert it, it gets converted in the liver in the gut and you need certain nutrients for that conversion to happen.
Inna Topiler 19:10
And there are certain autoimmunity things that can affect that conversion negatively as well. And so for some people, if that Converse doesn’t happen, you don’t have enough T3.
Inna Topiler 19:19
So if you don’t have enough T3, taking a conventional thyroid medicine like Synthroid or levothyroxine, which is T4 is really not going to do anything right so that’s not going to help.
Inna Topiler 19:30
And usually people who don’t have enough T3 tend to have completely normal TSH so if they go to an endocrinologist or their primary and they say hey, check my thyroid and they look at TSH they say oh, you’re fine, everything’s fine.
Inna Topiler 19:42
Your TSH is perfect at 1.5 Or something like that right. And when they find out that they have low T3, their support will be very specific to that versus what someone would do if there is a high TSH type. So
Misty Williams 19:59
Help people understand, And why doctors often only do the TSH check when they’re checking thyroid.
Inna Topiler 20:05
Okay, so I think there’s a few different reasons for that. The first is, I mean, that is the standard of care, right?
Inna Topiler 20:12
Because hypothyroidism is defined as a TSH that is above the labs range, which by the way, the labs range the high end of TSH is 4.5, it used to be five, they’ve lowered it to 4.5, though,
Inna Topiler 20:24
Depending on where you are in the country or in the world, there may be a little variance to anywhere from four to 4.75 At this point, so you could be 4.1
Inna Topiler 20:34
and be considered okay in California, and be considered high in New York, right, depending on what lab. But that’s the definition of hypothyroidism.
Inna Topiler 20:43
So, when doctors are looking, and if you look at textbooks, right, you don’t have hypothyroidism unless your TSH is above range.
Inna Topiler 20:52
But we know the ranges are very wide and optimally, you really want TSH below three. And if you’re someone who’s taking thyroid medicine, in an ideal world, you’d be even closer to two because the thyroid medicine should, in theory, get that TSH down lower.
Inna Topiler 21:08
But because the textbooks say, hey, unless you’re over four 4.5, whatever the range is, you’re not hypothyroid. It’s kind of an easy thing for a doctor to say, well, your TSH is okay, so I’m not thinking any more down the line.
Inna Topiler 21:21
Because the book says this, your TSH is fine, that it must be you must be depressed, you must be crazy, you must have this, that and the other you must be stressed. It’s not your thyroid.
Inna Topiler 21:32
And obviously I don’t want to say anything negative about anyone. But I do find that, when I speak to doctors who are more conventional,
Inna Topiler 21:41
I even sometimes ask them we’ll have maybe a client or a patient in common and say, Hey, would you mind just running a T3? For this person?
Inna Topiler 21:48
They’ll say, Oh, well, that’s not necessary. I would sometimes go and I said, Well, can you? And obviously I understand anyway,
Inna Topiler 21:56
This is what I do, why it’s necessary, but sometimes I’ll say to them, Well would you be able to tell me why you feel it’s not necessary? Right? Like, because I want to start a conversation.
Inna Topiler 22:05
And I would just want to see how we can work together, say, Oh, well, because it doesn’t matter.
Inna Topiler 22:11
And I’ll say to them, okay, well, why do you think it doesn’t matter that oh, well, that’s only if someone’s in a hospital or this or that, like they just don’t understand.
Inna Topiler 22:19
And there isn’t really a lot of education about this in medical school, the textbooks are written in a way where because there’s all these feedback loops, right.
Inna Topiler 22:27
So in an ideal case, if TSH is okay, it should signal T4 to be produced. And T4 should in theory, convert to T3 and T3 Should then get back on the bus, go to the cells and get absorbed into the cell. Right?
Inna Topiler 22:41
It’s kind of like, when it rains, the water hits the grass and the grass grows, and then flowers grow. And then everything is kind of working.
Inna Topiler 22:51
But sometimes we have no rain for a while, right? Or sometimes there’s certain toxins in the environment that affect the grass. And instead of grass, we get a bunch of weeds and no flowers, right? So it’s the same kind of idea.
Inna Topiler 23:02
Yes, in theory, it’s supposed to work this way. But in today’s day and age, it just doesn’t for at least half like I would say even more than 50% of people.
Misty Williams 23:11
So one of the things I want to mention here is if you’re working with your doctor, and he and he or she has told you that your thyroid is normal,
Misty Williams 23:19
and you’ve only run TSH, and you want to get out of the gridlock, because it’s pretty much a gridlock conversation from a patient perspective, right? We actually have fuel to go to healing rosie.com.
Misty Williams 23:31
And look in the show notes, we’ll put it down here, we actually have a coupon code where you can get a free, free T3 lab test run, you’ll pay the $8 Lab draw fee. But that’s it.
Misty Williams 23:42
But you can go get your free T3, run and see for yourself where that free T3 is. And if the three T3, maybe you want to share optimal ranges here enough, but if the free T3is low,
Misty Williams 23:55
Sometimes you can take that into your doctor and say, Hey, I know you put my TSH but I just wouldn’t have my free T3 pulled and look at this number.
Misty Williams 24:03
It’s low most, I don’t say most, a lot of doctors do know what the optimal ranges are, they just won’t run the lab, right to get you there.
Misty Williams 24:12
And that can be a way that you can advocate for yourself a little bit more, but I want to make sure that everyone knows that you can get a free, free T3 lab test to be able to look into this for yourself.
Inna Topiler 24:25
And that’s a great service for sure. And I think a lot of doctors really just look at lab ranges. I don’t think they look at optimal ranges.
Inna Topiler 24:34
So I mean, some may know if they’re more functional, but I think from a conventional perspective, the lab range for T3 is about 2.3 to 4.2.
Inna Topiler 24:41
So unless you’re below 2.3 And it’s not actually written as a big L for low and like in red or in blue. Sometimes they flag it, they’re not even going to really,
Misty Williams 24:55
So you could hear below 2.3 You’ll get a clinical hypothyroid and diagnosis, but then you’ll know for yourself if you’re below three or 3.2, it kind of depends on the reference range and stuff.
Misty Williams 25:06
But if you’re, you’re low, you can see for yourself, I need to find someone that can help me with this and my doctor.
Inna Topiler 25:12
Yeah. And thankfully, there are ways so, if you’re low on T3, yes, of course, there’s T3 medicine. But that’s not the only answer, right?
Inna Topiler 25:21
There’s so many ways to naturally support T3. And I know that’s something that you do in your program. It’s something that I do in my program, and a lot of functional practitioners work on.
Inna Topiler 25:32
If there’s liver support gut support, again, it has to be very specific and timed and sequenced in a way where it’s step by step. But there’s a lot you can do, and in some situations is very, very, very, very low.
Inna Topiler 25:42
Sometimes medicine can be helpful, but typically, we usually try the natural approaches first. So if your doctors say, No, I’m not going to give you medicine, and we want to look at this, I don’t want you to feel stuck. Okay, that’s it.
Inna Topiler 25:54
There’s all of these other things that you can look into and do.
Misty Williams 25:57
Yeah. All right. So you set a good foundation here, why don’t you talk to us about these thyroid types,
Inna Topiler 26:02
right, so we have the high TSH type, we have the low T3 type, there is another type, which I call the unavailable hormone type.
Inna Topiler 26:10
And this is where we have both low free T4 and free T3. And that’s why it’s so important to look at everything if you can,
Inna Topiler 26:18
and if you can get all the labs because if you’re looking at things randomly like this number, that number, it doesn’t always, you can always get the pattern.
Inna Topiler 26:28
And so typically for the unavailable hormone types, this is kind of a tricky one. And we see this a lot for people who like sometimes it’s post IVF treatment, or someone who has been on birth control pills, or, even a lot of people who have fertility issues,
Inna Topiler 26:43
There could be PCOS, people may be experiencing irregular, heavy periods. And there are other hormones that are connected to this type.
Inna Topiler 26:51
And for this type, a doctor would hardly ever notice because TSH is normal, even total hormones may often be normal, but it’s the free T4 and three T3 that are low and taking thyroid medicine for this type is not going to help.
Inna Topiler 27:04
Because you will, it’s not that you don’t have enough fiber, it’s there. It’s just literally unavailable to yourselves. So their approach for this would be, then again, different than the TSH type versus the T3 type.
Inna Topiler 27:18
Now the other type that I see all the time. I’m very active on Instagram, we’ll be talking about this a lot. And I can’t tell you, if I had a penny for every time someone said to me, oh my gosh, that’s me.
Inna Topiler 27:29
That’s me, I’m going through this now. And this is what I call the Hashimotos old normal type. And before we go through that, I just wanted to make sure we’re all on the same page about Hashimotos.
Inna Topiler 27:39
So just in case you may not be familiar, Hashimotos is an autoimmune disease that affects the thyroid, so the immune system gets confused.
Inna Topiler 27:47
And the immune system accidentally thinks your thyroid is something bad and foreign and it starts attacking it. And what’s really important about Hashimotos is that it’s the Hashimotos itself that attacks the thyroid, right, and your thyroid can become slow.
Inna Topiler 28:03
So it’s important to support the thyroid. But by supporting the thyroid, you’re not necessarily doing anything for Hashimotos. Right, because it’s two different things.
Inna Topiler 28:13
And so this type is so common, and I get so angry every time I hear this from people that their doctor said this, but so it’s called the Hashimotos Oh, normal type.
Inna Topiler 28:23
So what this means is that they have thyroid antibodies. So the way that Hashimotos is diagnosed is if you have antibodies to either thyroid peroxidase or TPO or thyroglobulin antibodies.
Inna Topiler 28:35
Now you can have antibodies to one or the other, or both. And it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t make your Hashimoto better or worse, if you have antibodies to one or the other.
Inna Topiler 28:42
Both of them mean Hashimotos. So if you have antibodies, but all your labs are normal and really normal, right? Your TSH is in range or t 43.
Inna Topiler 28:54
The free total of everything is okay, even with these optimal ranges. This is where doctors say you’re fine. You sometimes they don’t even tell people they have
Inna Topiler 29:04
Hashimoto’s they’ll just say you have thyroid antibodies, and people have to then go research and connect it and figure out oh, wait, thyroid antibodies mean Hashimotos can’t tell you how often people will DM me on Instagram and say, can you just can I ask you a question?
Inna Topiler 29:18
I have thyroid antibodies. My doctor says that I may not have Hashimotos. I’m like, No, it can’t diagnose you obviously over Instagram.
Inna Topiler 29:26
But the definition is if you have thyroid antibodies, you are partially motor. That’s what it means. It’s very black and white. And I for some reason,
Inna Topiler 29:32
I don’t know why. There’s practitioners that make this such a gray area because it’s not great. If you have antibodies, your question motos, the only gray could be that if the antibodies are there, but they’re at a very low level, that could be a little gray, right?
Inna Topiler 29:45
Because typically for TPO, anything over 35 is considered positive. So if someone is at like a 15 p&l, it could be a little great because they’re there but it’s not so much right.
Inna Topiler 29:55
But if you’re over 35 And for most people that I connect with, their antibodies make their way through the roof, and they’re still unsure if they have Hashimotos.
Inna Topiler 30:03
But yes, if you have antibodies, you have Hashimotos. And so the frustrating thing that they hear is you just have antibodies. There’s nothing we can do. Your labs are normal.
Inna Topiler 30:15
So we wait. And we see, and this is what happened to me 20 years ago, we wait and we see, eventually, your Hashimotos or your immune system, right, will destroy your thyroid.
Inna Topiler 30:27
And when that happens, then we’ll give you their medicine. But right now you don’t need medicine. Everything’s fine.
Inna Topiler 30:32
Isn’t it maddening. I’m Phil, my blood boil just listening to you say that, because I, I’ve heard it so much everyone hears it, we wait. And we see we wait.
Misty Williams 30:40
And we see as your body just deteriorates, and things get so bad, because the standard of care basically, is once it gets bad enough, I can prescribe or we can do surgery.
Misty Williams 30:50
And I heard that over and over in my journey too. And it’s just like, there’s not a focus on health or quality of life. There’s not a there’s not a sense in conventional medicine, of taking care of people to help them maintain their health.
Misty Williams 31:02
So if you have heard this from your doctor, I think you should be hearing alarm bells in your mind that you need to find someone who’s going to support you and take care of your health because it’s really scary.
Misty Williams 31:13
When I think about what would have happened to me if I wouldn’t have had. I’m feisty. I was triggered right away when my doctor started telling me, we don’t know what causes it, you can Google it, we’ll watch it.
Misty Williams 31:24
We can do surgery. If it comes back. I knew I had to figure out something else. But for a lot of people when they hear that they take it as gospel like okay,
Misty Williams 31:31
Well, I guess I just have to wait and see what happens. Right. And there’s so many stories of women, even famous women, we hear about Gilda Radner, and she was a Saturday Night Live comedian who was having all these issues in her body.
Misty Williams 31:46
And she went to tons of specialists, they put her on antidepressants. Eventually she was diagnosed with ovarian cancer stage four, but she was searching for answers for probably two or three years before she found out that she had ovarian cancer and ended up killing her right.
Misty Williams 32:02
So this whole wait and see thing you already got me started, I just need to stop because, you have permission to ask questions and to find another doctor if they’re telling you to wait and see.
Inna Topiler 32:17
Yeah, well, and I think that when it comes to thyroid, specifically and Hashimotos, the reason why they say wait and see I mean, obviously,
Inna Topiler 32:25
they’re not purposely trying to make you feel bad, right or be sick. But from a conventional perspective, they just don’t know, right? Because if you think about it in a very black and white sense, right?
Inna Topiler 32:39
When your thyroid is functioning well, right? They’re not you don’t need medicine necessarily, right? They’re not going to give you medicine, but there is not this understanding that the immune system is destroying the thyroid, and that we actually have something we can do to support the immune system, right?
Inna Topiler 32:56
Because whenever I think conventionally people think about any autoimmunity right? Be a Hashimotos, arthritis or MS or anything like that. We always think about the organ being attacked, right?
Inna Topiler 33:05
The thyroid or the joints of the brain. And so we always think, Okay, what medicine can we use for those organs when they’re attacked, that we can like heal them or help them or speed them up or whatnot.
Inna Topiler 33:14
But in more of a functional approach, right, we’re always thinking, what’s the root? Where’s it coming from? Right? It’s the immune system that got confused and is attacking the thyroid.
Inna Topiler 33:22
So let’s teach the immune system Hey, immune system, like that is good, like, subtle data. Like Fred so much. And we do that from a functional perspective, where we look at immune triggers.
Inna Topiler 33:35
And immune triggers are things like stressors and the foods that we eat, and the infections we may have, and the toxins that we may have, that we may accumulate, right?
Inna Topiler 33:45
So that’s where, like, the metals and all the mercury can come in, and all the different viruses, there’s so many things, but again, from a conventional perspective, they just don’t look at it that way.
Inna Topiler 33:53
They don’t know. So they’re not purposely trying to make you sick, they just literally don’t know what to do about the immune system. Thankfully, though, there’s so much we can do.
Misty Williams 34:02
Yeah, they don’t, they don’t take, they’re not taking responsibility for that they don’t make it their responsibility to understand things that are outside of maybe the scope of care, training, and mixed feelings about it.
Misty Williams 34:13
I empathize and think I mean, I get it, I get that’s how they were trained and from the lens of their practice and what they were trained to do following instructions, right.
Misty Williams 34:23
But as someone who makes the commitment to do no harm and is committed to this field of medicine, it also infuriates me because of course, as a doctor and someone who’s seeing patients all the time, isn’t there a part of you?
Misty Williams 34:36
That’s like, this does not make sense. I’m telling my patients to wait and over time I’m watching my patients get really bad diseases and die and in the course of their care with me,
Misty Williams 34:46
I did nothing to support them and prevent what ultimately happened. I am not one to blame, but I am I am fierce on take responsibility and if if person has not made it, their mission in life to understand how to help you heal,
Misty Williams 35:04
You need to find someone who has made it their mission. Right?
Inna Topiler 35:08
Exactly. I have a lot of colleagues who are more conventional, that have become more integrative. And like when that happens, they literally like, I hear this much they say, I literally was thinking that I like, of what am I going to do?
Inna Topiler 35:24
How, like, I can’t help anyone. And when they learn more than a functional approach, like, oh, my gosh, for the first time in 25 years of practice, or theories or practice, I feel like I can actually help someone, which is like, such an amazing feeling.
Inna Topiler 35:36
Absolutely. So I think a lot of doctors are kind of going out this way. And so there’s more and more people that are doing this work, which is great, because there’s so many people that need it.
Misty Williams 35:49
Yeah. So talk to us a little bit about what we do if we have the antibodies, because as you said, if you’re taking thyroid hormone to support the hypo thyroid states, right, it’s not doing anything for the Hashimotos.
Misty Williams 36:04
How does someone go about managing or even eradicating? I know, people who’ve completely healed from their horseshoes? How do we do that?
Inna Topiler 36:12
So with Hashimotos being an autoimmune disease, right, there’s no kind of cure, but you can bring it into remission. And you can bring your antibodies down, and you can bring it to remission where the thyroid is not attacked nearly as much right?
Inna Topiler 36:26
Sometimes we can’t completely stop the attack, but we can slow it down significantly, which in my book is a win, for sure, literally. So the big thing is that we look at the things that trigger the immune system, right, because it’s the immune system that got confused.
Inna Topiler 36:41
So it’s not about the thyroid as much as it is getting the immune system to calm down. So there’s four kinds of categories where we can have triggers. The first is stress. The second is food.
Inna Topiler 36:53
The third is infections. And the fourth is toxins. And then of course, within those categories, there’s a lot of different things that go into that. So for example, with stress, stress is something that is both physical and emotional.
Inna Topiler 38:31
So talk a little bit about what it looks like to reintroduce kisses. This is very common. So there’s a couple schools of thought on how to manage food sensitivities.
Misty Williams 39:51
Amongst our colleagues, I’ve had this conversation with lots of our colleagues in the space. Food sensitivity testing by some is recommended as one of the first things you do whenever you’re working with a new patient, and you’re really trying to get them optimized.
Misty Williams 41:17
There’s some people that recommend you must do food sensitivity testing right away. And then there’s other people that say, actually, no, don’t do food sensitivity testing right away, do an elimination diet, maybe you will go full AIP for six or eight weeks,
Misty Williams 41:30
And then you start reintroducing foods one by one to see how your body is going to respond to it and manage it that way and do food sensitivity testing if even after doing an elimination diet you haven’t eradicated the issue.
Misty Williams 41:44
So I’d love for you just to add some color to this conversation and share with what’s worked in your practice. Because you’ve been working with people on this for almost two decades.
Inna Topiler 41:53
Yeah, yeah. So I’ve actually done it a few different ways. Because as with anything else, that’s what they call it practice, right? You try different things.
Inna Topiler 42:02
When I first started practicing, almost 20 years ago, I was running food sensitivity testing pretty early on. But what I realized was that when people’s guts are a mess, which a lot of times they are, and we may have all types of dysbiosis, from Candida to parasites to H. Pylori, to other infections, and there’s gonna be more leaky gut,
Inna Topiler 42:22
I was getting people reactive to everything. And, again, not to say that wasn’t true. I mean, it was for the time, but sometimes it’s just very hard to avoid everything.
Inna Topiler 42:32
And when there’s leaky gut, and everything is reacting, it just the test almost feels overwhelming, like, how are we even going to manage this. Plus, these tests aren’t cheap.
Inna Topiler 42:42
And I tend to, I needed to run it, again, to see how things were improving, and it’s just a lot of money that people would have to spend.
Inna Topiler 42:50
So now what I do, and I have been doing this for a while now is, after taking a really, really detailed health history, because you could kind of tell based on that, like what the issues could be, how many antibiotics they’ve been on what other symptoms they have, typically, we do an elimination, like you mentioned.
Inna Topiler 43:08
And while we do that, we do stool testing. And then for my virtual step by step program we’re doing different questionnaires to figure out what type of dysbiosis that you had.
Inna Topiler 43:19
And the benefit there is that we’re not spending a lot of money on tests initially. But we’re doing an elimination diet, or just a cleaner diet sometimes. And this is also based on what the person needs, but it could be either a low lectin diet or AIP, or, more towards like a paleo.
Inna Topiler 43:35
And because sometimes people also know, eggs really don’t work well with me, and that people say, I think that okay, so we include those, but we definitely eliminate gluten, dairy, corn, soy, sugar, and a lot of processed foods.
Inna Topiler 43:47
And as we do that, they already start to feel better, just because there’s less toxins going in. And then we typically support the gut.
Inna Topiler 43:54
Usually I’ll do a stool test and organic acid test, and I’ll take a look at what’s there. If there’s yeast are there, infections, if sometimes,
Inna Topiler 44:02
If people don’t have a budget for testing, we could do it through questionnaires, which I do in my virtual program as well, to see the level of dysbiosis they have, and then I pick and choose a protocol for them based on that.
Inna Topiler 44:14
And then once we support the gut, and we usually do a little bit of liver support at that time, then we start to introduce some foods. And then typically, we’ll do food sensitivity testing.
Inna Topiler 44:23
So basically, it’s the second option. I’m also of the opinion that we really don’t want to eliminate and reduce too much for too long, just because it is so important that we have a nice diverse microbiome and the way it’s not just about taking probiotics,
Inna Topiler 44:41
I mean, yes, those help. And yes, we have a lot of things on the market that are super strong, and these really heavy duty probiotics, but it’s not the same as the natural bugs because you can never replace everything, right?
Inna Topiler 44:54
Like you can have 1000 billion organisms, you’re still not going to absorb The same way because you have so many more other bucks. So it’s about eating different types of foods. And it’s plant fibers, right.
Inna Topiler 45:06
So, meat is great, but meat isn’t going to diversify your gut. It’s the fiber from all the different plants with soy, vegetables and beans. Those are the things that are going to help to diversify.
Inna Topiler 45:18
So I really just want to make sure that we’re not on a very restricted diet for more than six months. And then we start to put things in sometimes. Maybe we’re not able to put grains in right or gluten, that’s okay.
Inna Topiler 45:28
But then we see, okay, well, what vegetables can we put in? Even if you don’t like a certain vegetable, can we just do a tiny, tiny amount of it right, just to get like all these different plant fibers in there. We want as much of a diverse diet as we can.
Misty Williams 45:41
Yeah, one of the things that we talked about in healing Rosa university and in the community, around the food piece is if you have food sensitivities, and you’ve had to eliminate them from your diet for a long period of time,
Misty Williams 45:56
I mean, there’s people that have for years not been able to eat bananas, or avocados or whatever, there is something else going on. It is not food sensitivities are not a long term strategy for maintaining your health.
Misty Williams 46:08
It is a short term strategy for bridging things so that your body can heal, right. But if your body’s not healing, you need to get to sleuthing. Go deeper and figure out what is actually going on. At a deeper level, there’s likely some infections an
Misty Williams 46:23
d toxicity that has not been uncovered. And you need to uncover those so that you can actually get rid of them. Because you run the danger.
Misty Williams 46:31
When you eliminate foods for long periods of time from your diet, you run the danger of permanently compromising your microbiome because all the good bugs die. Right. So this is an area where we have to be careful, and I don’t feel like people get adequately informed around eliminating foods from their diet.
Misty Williams 46:48
This is a really important conversation that we’re having right here. Because, long term elimination is not healthy.
Misty Williams 46:55
Another piece to this that I find myself talking about a lot because it was profound for me as a patient, hearing it is the importance of running the right food sensitivity tests.
Misty Williams 47:06
I was interviewing Dr. Peter Osborne, for the radical healing masterclass that we did a few months ago. And one of the things that he said that I’ve actually heard several other practitioners in our space say is that you need to make sure that you’re doing lymphocyte testing for food sensitivity testing.
Misty Williams 47:21
And that is the testing to see what you’re actually creating the white blood cell response to in the body instead of the other tests through sensitivity tests that are IgG or IgM.
Misty Williams 47:33
They’re not they’re not fully testing to see what your body’s actually mounting a response to people can often in food sensitivity tests come back with just like you said, everything is causing an allergic reaction for me, right?
Misty Williams 47:46
So you want to make sure you’re doing the right test. And the test that you want to do is the Eliza, food sensitivity testing. They’re the ones that did lymphocyte testing, and can be really helpful to see what you actually alerted us to. We actually have someone in the healing Rosie University accelerator who’s struggling with this food sensitivity thing long term.
Misty Williams 48:05
One of the reasons that she wanted to do the deeper program is because she knows that there’s something else going on that hasn’t been uncovered, but she’s never done lymphocyte testing.
Misty Williams 48:13
So we’re going to run that for her. And just to see what she’s actually allergic to, like, what is the body actually mounting a response to because it’s likely that a lot of us have done these food sensitivity tests, and we think we’re allergic to a lot of things that actually our body isn’t mounting a mounting a response to, from an immune perspective. So
Inna Topiler 48:32
yeah, and there’s so many out there and, I’ve had certain labs I won’t mention names, but I’ve sent the same sample with two different names and gotten two different results.
Inna Topiler 48:43
Yeah, it happens all the time. I hear about it all the time from lots of people in our space and it makes food sensitivities in this area where it’s like well, do you even trust the tests? Right?
Inna Topiler 48:53
I think that’s why a lot of people have gone to the lymphocyte testing because otherwise it’s really challenging to to know if what you’re recommending the patient does is actually helpful to them and it could be harmful because they’re not eating as diverse of a diet and maybe it’s not they’re really not getting any benefit from that so yeah,
Inna Topiler 49:11
It’s tricky. It is tricky to that’s why you have to know your labs Well Who do you use if you don’t mind sharing for your test site testing it’s the Eliza test Eliza act
Inna Topiler 49:20
I think it is right but what lab has their panels? They have a ton of different food sensitivity panels licensed by the lab.
Inna Topiler 49:30
Oh, okay. Just because there’s a lot of Eliza tests out there.
Misty Williams 49:33
So your lab here you say has Yeah, that’s the lab and they have several food sensitivity panels. It depends on how deep you want to go.
Misty Williams 49:41
How much do you want to test right? You know, food sensitivity tests can get really expensive. You can push $1,000 If you want to be if you
Inna Topiler 49:48
I want to test everything under the sun. Yeah, some of the Cyrax panels and the Vibram panels are definitely up there. Yeah,
Inna Topiler 49:55
yeah, it’s crazy. All right. Well, let’s keep going here with this conversation. We’ve been Talking about autoimmune issues and how you treat them.
Inna Topiler 50:04
And we talked about blood work, I’m curious for you to talk a little bit more about your program, discover your thyroid type FLEGT. Is there like a quiz or something to help people figure out what their type is? And then how are you helping people break this down?
Inna Topiler 50:21
Sure. Well, so the free training that I have, it’s an hour training, where we get into really understanding how, like what a thyroid type is, which, we already got into a little bit here.
Inna Topiler 50:33
And then I walk people through when they have their labs, what to look for, to figure out their thyroid type. And then we talk in there more, I also teach people more about the two fold approach for Hashimotos.
Inna Topiler 50:45
And really how we can look at this from a very whole body perspective. And then for some people to eat, especially if they have a doctor who is willing to work with them, and it’s open, which is wonderful, right?
Inna Topiler 51:00
They can then take that to their doctor, and their doctor will help to dye them. And the training is there to basically give them as much information as I can.
Inna Topiler 51:08
And then for others, that may not have a doctor or the doctor is just really not willing to work with them. But they know that there’s something there.
Inna Topiler 51:15
And they want to really just take this and take this to the next level and expedite their results. So they’re not spending months and months and months and 1000s of dollars and spinning their wheels and trying to figure it out.
Inna Topiler 51:27
Then I also have a step by step program where it’s customized to them and their thyroid type. And I take them through step by step exactly what to do to support their thyroid type.
Inna Topiler 51:39
And if they also have Hashimotos, to support Hashimotos with this two fold approach.
Inna Topiler 51:43
Yeah, it’s exciting to see that there’s resources like this available now for women who are struggling because I remember what it was like a decade ago. Yeah, there was nothing.
Inna Topiler 51:53
Whenever I found the natural health, Paleo ancestral health space, there were a lot of them, I learned a ton, it was very helpful. I was very empowered by it. I learned a lot about circadian biology.
Inna Topiler 52:03
That’s when I started dialing in my sleep, and was in the amber glasses and all the things that I still do to this day, but when it comes to women and their issues, women’s hormones, this was not a conversation anyone was having.
Inna Topiler 52:15
Our leaders were people who are awesome friends. I love their work. It was people like Mark Sisson and Ben Greenfield, Dave Asprey and Rob Wolf.
Inna Topiler 52:23
And if not guys, I remember asking them, at events and different things that I was participating in, at that time about, you’re doing this, dieting, you’re getting ripped abs, and, you’re getting these amazing results.
Inna Topiler 52:41
I’m trying it, and there’s a lot of my colleagues in the space that are trying these strategies, and we’re not getting the same results.
Inna Topiler 52:46
And it was like, Yeah, women are harder. And that was kind of the end of the conversation. Right? Right. Women are harder. Anyway,
Inna Topiler 52:55
Next question. I remember feeling so frustrated, it was a big reason why I wanted to start healing Rosie was because like this, this conversation is not going away. 70% of the people in this larger community are women.
Inna Topiler 53:10
And we need to be having conversations about our hormones, and how those are affecting our bodies. And about these different diet types. we’re doing keto diets, and intermittent fasting and all of this stuff.
Inna Topiler 53:22
And it’s not one size fits all. For women, our bodies are very rare little little snowflakes, every single one of us and it’s important that we’re understanding how to look at our labs,
Inna Topiler 53:33
what kind of care health care that we need, what kind of practitioners we need, on our side, what kind of lifestyle to develop,
Inna Topiler 53:41
It’s important that we understand how to uncover these toxic stressors, because it’s why everyone ultimately gets stuck. Because there is some kind of toxic stress where they haven’t uncovered they’ve, they’ve not done enough work on their trauma. So
Inna Topiler 53:54
the other thing, we then kind of touched on that, but that’s a whole other thing when it comes to stress, right? It’s our thoughts, our beliefs are traumas because all of that is going to reside physically in our body.
Inna Topiler 54:05
Yeah, I remember being a kid and feeling like there were certain things that I couldn’t say. Right? It wasn’t safe in our family to say certain things or speak up about things and that conditioning.
Misty Williams 54:40
I definitely took it with me into adulthood. Right. And especially in my 20s, I was very challenged around speaking my truth and saying what I needed to say. And fortunately, I’m way past that I’m sure there are people that wish I would go back.
Misty Williams 55:34
Yeah, I mean, there’s so much conditioning. And this is why childhood trauma is very relevant, we think, but it happened so long ago, but it conditioned you to interact with the world in a certain way, right?
Misty Williams 55:46
It still lives inside your nervous system. And we have to address that and find ways to break free, to create new neural pathways and new patterns in our life that are more life giving, and supportive. Right.
Misty Williams 56:01
So yeah, all of these are really important, really, really important. Yeah, well, we are gonna have links in the show notes to all the great resources for me now you can find her Instagram, and her website.
Misty Williams 56:12
We will have a link to this, this webinar, discover your thyroid type, so that you guys can go learn a little bit more from her.
Misty Williams 56:20
Her work is amazing. And I really love how committed she has been to helping people with this thyroid issue.
Misty Williams 56:25
And not only the thyroid issue, she’s really well versed in. Alright, we see problems here, let’s start looking for this, the toxic stressors that are contributing to this.
Misty Williams 56:33
And it’s really an important part of being able to create healing and set the conditions for healing to happen in the body, not hyper focusing just on one piece of this puzzle.
Misty Williams 56:43
So thank you so much enough for chatting with us today and sharing all of your awesome wisdom. This has been fantastic. Of course.
Inna Topiler 56:49
Well, thank you so much for having me. And, really back right back at you with all the work that you’re doing, and this podcast and your Facebook group and all of the education that you have,
Inna Topiler 56:59
And what an advocate, you are not just for yourself, but for 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of women that really need your support. So thank you for all the work that you do. Yeah,
Misty Williams 57:09
well, it’s an honor for both of us I know to hold this space and make this contribution. So thanks, everyone for tuning in. We’ll see you very soon.
Inna Topiler 57:17
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Inna Topiler 57:26
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Inna Topiler 57:36
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